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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Are the left that stupid to run another second rate lefty as President like Hillary ? I suppose it all depends how misinformed or uninformed the voters will remain in 2016. Hillary was a failed Secretary of State. But she's not a narcissist like Obama so she might surround herself with competent people. But I doubt she has the leadership capabilities of being able to reach across the aisle so Congress actually accomplish something.

    I doubt the GOP would actually run a conservative, at least they haven't in the past twenty five years.

    If the liberals are right that the GOP has moved so far to the right, then the GOP must be full of reactionaries. If true they are doing a pretty damn good of a job hiding.

    The GOP should run a reactionary for President running on a platform of repealing every piece of legislation that has been passed by Congress since 2001 that has taken away our individual freedoms, disbanding the Dept. of Homeland Security and reinstating every member of the military who have been relieved of their commands or forced out of the service because they weren't politically correct enough for Obama's liking. Repealing NAFTA should also be a priority along with a 1,000 % tariff on any garbage that is imported into America. Americans have to go back demanding quality not cheap stuff.

    The question is, are there any reactionaries in America any more ? The liberals claim that the GOP has moved so far to the right, if true where are they ?

    Actually I think the Democrat Party has actually moved so far to the left that conservatives look to be the extreme. Pat Buchanan's political ideology is the same today as it was back in 1970 and Pat was looked at being a conservative moderate.

    What the Libertarians should do is exactly what the JFK liberals did during the 1970's, coming under the GOP tent who created a new label to stand behind, neoconservatives. They actually were able to gain control of the GOP during the 1990's and hold onto power until 2010. The Libertarians could do the same thing. The GOP is the party of diversity where everyone is allowed to have dissenting views not like the Democrat Party where everyone is in goose stepping locksteps and dissenting views are forbidden.
    The Libertarian Party is fine and dandy and doesn't need to hide under the umbrella of a bunch of people that think that every animal on the planet was within walking distance of Noah's house. What does need to happen is that these people blowing billions on Super PAC's need to wake up and realize the best horse to back for a healthy USA is the Libertarian Party. If your idea about a sub group had any traction at all the Tea Party would have moved front and center. Maybe you could blame that on Juggs Palin being nothing but a porn star that picked the wrong profession; but I really think the GOP just cannot facilitate dissenting ideas. Bottom line is DNC knows how to whoop GOP's collective a$$ and America is just stupid enough to follow those two pathetic platforms into third world ruin.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    It's a matter of money.

    Russia supports the Assad regime. We do not. If we had supported Assad, like we did Mubarak, then Iran wouldn't have a partner/conduit against Israel, and the US would have had a secular partner that would have helped us fight Al Qaeda. But no. We had to make them the "enemy" because of their relationship with Russia and their support of Saddam, and so on.

    Again, it's a matter of money. In international relations, money is the binding force of friendships, not ideologies.
    Like I always say, Russia had first pick and now we have to pick the useless fat kid in the corner eating his grape icee. Either we pick Al Qaeda or we don't get to make any coin on the misery in Syria.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Like I always say, Russia had first pick and now we have to pick the useless fat kid in the corner eating his grape icee. Either we pick Al Qaeda or we don't get to make any coin on the misery in Syria.
    Heya Snappo.....I say we stay out of it and choose neither side. See who rises to the cream of the crop. Then we know who is who. Focus on Egypt.

    Let the Europeans Send in NATO troops if someone has to have boots on the ground to go after these Chems.

    All this time is taking place. Allowing Assad to get in more shipments of Weapons from Russia. Set his defenses. Already he has things moved up into civilian neighborhoods. That's despite Putin and the Russians denying that they are sending weapons. According to the Kuwaitis' they have it up in their news which if we have any people there they can validate. They are saying that Russians have been moving the S300s into Syria since Aug 21.

    The Kuwaiti newspaper al Rai reported Tuesday that Russia recently transferred a number of advanced S-300 missile defense batteries to Syria. The report said since Aug. 21, when hundreds of Syrian civilians were killed in a chemical weapons attack by the Syrian regime, Russia has accelerated shipments of arms to President Bashar Assad's regime....snip~

    Russian President Putin says 5 missile batteries to be sent to Iran - UPI.com

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    The Libertarian Party is fine and dandy and doesn't need to hide under the umbrella of a bunch of people that think that every animal on the planet was within walking distance of Noah's house. What does need to happen is that these people blowing billions on Super PAC's need to wake up and realize the best horse to back for a healthy USA is the Libertarian Party. If your idea about a sub group had any traction at all the Tea Party would have moved front and center. Maybe you could blame that on Juggs Palin being nothing but a porn star that picked the wrong profession; but I really think the GOP just cannot facilitate dissenting ideas. Bottom line is DNC knows how to whoop GOP's collective a$$ and America is just stupid enough to follow those two pathetic platforms into third world ruin.
    I wasn't suggesting that the Libertarians hide behind a label but that they openly stand behind their political ideology like those in the Tea Party movement have. It was the Tea Party movement who knocked the neoconservatives from power within the GOP. The only problem today, no one is in charge of the GOP since the mid term elections of 2010.

    You're going to find more Americans under the GOP tent who have more in common with the Libertarian Party than you will under the Democrat tent, that's for sure. There's no place for individual freedoms under the Democrat tent.

    Of all of the diffrent political parties that have a platform, I'm more aligned with the Constitution Party.

    But the problem with most political parties they write up a platform every four years and then they ignore it.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well Kerry ended up fumbling the ball.....playing to the camera and getting all Emotional like. Then his mouth overloaded his brain. What makes it all the worse....is him chilling out and then Getting that call from Lavrov. Telling him. I heard you and not only did I hear what you said.....While in amazement that you said it. But Now I am making announcement Mr Secretary. You Might want to tune in and turn the volume up.

    So Kerry made a rhetorical statement that not even he believed would ever happen....and then while on the plane trip home he gets a call from Lavrov saying that Putin will be making an announcement soon and by the time he lands Syria has agreed to let the international community monitor their chemical weapons stockpile? That is remarkable.


    "...When Kerry was asked if Assad could do anything to avoid an attack, he uttered 20 words that set off a rapid chain of events.

    "Sure," he said. "He can turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week."

    He raised both arms for emphasis and continued: "Turn it over, all of it, without delay, and allow a full and total accounting for that. But he isn't about to do it, and it can't be done, obviously."

    On the flight home, Kerry, now in a faded orange zip-up sweatshirt, spoke on the phone with Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister. Lavrov told Kerry he had heard his comments in London and Russia was getting ready to make an announcement.

    By the time Kerry landed in the U.S., Russia had made its proposal to place Syrian chemical weapons out of Assad's control, Syria had welcomed the idea, other nations and the United Nations had embraced it in principle, and some members of Congress were beginning to see a possible way out of the jam. Kerry's staff initially suggested that the secretary's words were merely a rhetorical flourish. But by the end of the day, though expressing deep skepticism, Obama declared the Russian pitch "potentially a significant breakthrough" that could head off U.S. air strikes....."

    If Syria gives up control over it's chemical weapons, then Obama won't have to attack. That looks like a winning solution for the US, imo.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So Kerry made a rhetorical statement that not even he believed would ever happen....and then while on the plane trip home he gets a call from Lavrov saying that Putin will be making an announcement soon and by the time he lands Syria has agreed to let the international community monitor their chemical weapons stockpile? That is remarkable.

    If Syria gives up control over it's chemical weapons, then Obama won't have to attack. That looks like a winning solution for the US, imo.
    Heya Moot .....Yeah, and if you read further you can see why especially after Obama sends the Word on down.

    Well they (Syria) did file with the UN so now they got 30 more days by UN procedures.

    I would agree with you if we don't attack and then stay out of their civil war completely.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappo View Post
    Like I always say, Russia had first pick and now we have to pick the useless fat kid in the corner eating his grape icee. Either we pick Al Qaeda or we don't get to make any coin on the misery in Syria.
    I'm sure you know I'm appalled at your calloused assessment of this, but to play along for a moment, the US had every opportunity to pick first and support president Assad, as Beau has pointed out as well.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I wasn't suggesting that the Libertarians hide behind a label but that they openly stand behind their political ideology like those in the Tea Party movement have. It was the Tea Party movement who knocked the neoconservatives from power within the GOP. The only problem today, no one is in charge of the GOP since the mid term elections of 2010.

    You're going to find more Americans under the GOP tent who have more in common with the Libertarian Party than you will under the Democrat tent, that's for sure. There's no place for individual freedoms under the Democrat tent.

    Of all of the diffrent political parties that have a platform, I'm more aligned with the Constitution Party.

    But the problem with most political parties they write up a platform every four years and then they ignore it.
    I do not believe the LP has anything in common with GOP or DNC, because both GOP and DNC want to grow government and increase spending. The only difference between GOP and DNC is that GOP are very sky-daddy in how they write laws. They are less interested in the separation of church and state than the DNC. GOP and DNC know one thing - that they will be out of work if they don't appeal to the largest group of voters. If one grabs 40% of the vote, the other wants 41%. And the easiest way to beat out the other guy is to have the biggest pool of voters to entice. And since 10% of Americans hold 90% of the wealth; clearly the group to schmooze are the "have nots". LP on the other hand takes a moral high ground - do what's best and most honest and do not pander just for votes. Of course that is why they are irrelevant on the big stage. That will not change until America somehow un-retards themselves and realizes both DNC and GOP are fisting them until they hemorrhage.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sure you know I'm appalled at your calloused assessment of this
    You are the dreamer and I am the realist. You see the world as it should be and perhaps can be, and I see it as the cesspool it is. And I have seen my share of cesspools. Clark Air Force base comes to mind as I say that. It's outside of Angeles City in North Luzon. Muslims living in bamboo and paper huts underneath bridges, Christians living in 1 room apartments, and the salary of an average worker in the neighborhood of 3 or 4 bucks a day. It wasn't much better in Saudi Arabia either. Or Honduras. Or Belize. Or dozens of other countries I have had to do work in. I make no apologies for who I am. I look in the mirror and I am fine with my hatred of islam, or hatred of crime, or hatred of people too lazy to rise above the poverty even when given opportunity after opportunity. If they want to be the prey instead of the hunter, fine with me. Have's and have-not's. It is what it is. I say lets make some money off arab misery. I would rather USA be the top of the food chain than the middle or bottom.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Snappo.....I say we stay out of it and choose neither side. See who rises to the cream of the crop. Then we know who is who. Focus on Egypt.
    I'd agree with you but personally I wouldn't mind hearing a few Syrians whine that their families were exterminated in bombing runs. But if I didn't hate Syrians so; I would agree with you. Let them kill each other and stay out of it. It's an Arab League problem. USA has no skin in the game. Maybe we can sell arms somewhere else and break even against Russia elsewhere.

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