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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    How long have you known the Israelis man?
    My old man loved them and respected them more than any fighters in this World.
    They are our Ace-in-the-whole. Interest on our down-payment if you will.


    I have no idea what you're talking about and and I don't even have any beer in the fridge.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Let's not get ourselves too excited just yet about the situation in Syria. This is, so far, merely talk of a CW surrender/destruction and in exchange for absolutely nothing except the U.S. backig down and allowing Assad to buy and use more conventional weapons continue is plan to kill off his opposition. Is Obama, and by expention the U.S. taxpayer, still intent on arming the "good" opponents of Assad? Our foreign aid and policy is based on some fairly bizarre and contradictory goals, often involving paying both sides in a conflict to make nice, while ignoring military coups and some fairly major human rights violations.
    All this is, and will prove out to be, is a delay on the part of Russia to help Assad save his own butt.

    Why do I say that? Simple actually. There's no way the UN or anyone else can secure those chemical weapons in the middle of an active war zone. Even if it wasn't a war zone (with people shooting whatever moved and dropping artillery and mortar shells everywhere) it would take months to identify and inventory the weapons, and YEARS to stabilize, transport and dispose of them.

    In other words, this proposal is a made for TV movie, and not reality. It gives Obama the out from the corner he backed himself into ("damn, you mean they crossed the Red Line? Uh, I mean... what Red Line?) and it gives Russia the ability to give Assad time to regroup and more than likely survive.

    And that's only if they can get the opposition forces to agree. Last I heard, no one had asked them what they thought about all this. My guess is, they don't care what Obama says at this point, since they can't rely on him telling the truth or following through with what he does say, and they damn sure don't care what Putin, or Iran, or anyone else says either.

    They didn't get into this fight over chemical weapons. They protested against Assad during the Arab Spring, Assad attacked them, and they fought back.

    None of that has changed.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Ttwtt. Yeah.....and in the meantime Putin is going to sell some S300 Modified to Iran while offering to help build them a second reactor. Sure hope he isn't dealing from the a trick deck. Announced Right away as the Russians work on that Chem issue with Assad.
    Selling S300's to Iran should be enough to get sanctions against Russia. All that would do is bolster Iran's ability to defy the existing UN Resolutions against them by making air raids almost too dangerous. In fact, given Obama's predilection to be anti-military action, the presence of S300's would make him lock slam up and never give the order.

    Iran... the new nuclear power and terrorist weapon flea market.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Are you serious? You don't think the Israelis can't take care of themselves with your S-300. My Dad was Air Force until 1974. He loved Israel. He called them the meanest bastids in the world. So what don't you get about Israel being our Ace-in-the-hole? Interest on a down payment?? Israel knows why they are still alive. The USA. They will help us when we need it. They listened to Bush-41 when Saddam shot scuds at Israel to not respond.

    The USA would do well to mimmick Israel and demand 2 years of every citizen. I'd go further by demanding 2-3 weeks each year at that person's speciality. I'm a pissed-off conservative Democrat who doesn't appreciate seeing so-called "Patriots" in the USA condemn the President in front of the World. It's bad enough you guys sabotage him on everything on the domestic front. This bull**** is supposed to stop at the oceans. And spare me the Vietnam stuff. My Dad was never the same after his TDYs there to do supply and escort bodies to their families. Try living in the Present instead of hating for why you hate.
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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Are you serious? You don't think the Israelis can't take care of themselves with your S-300.
    My S-300's ???

    I need not to read any further, you dinki dow.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I believe he probably has the support of the majority of the people. American elites in the media or otherwise are always blinded by some idealistic notion of democracy. Syria has always been a place that required an iron fist and there really is nothing different about the current Assad from the previous one except that the US no longer likes that they have a secular autocracy. Syria often has been blamed for things that originated in Iran by my measure at least.
    Good morning, Fisher.


    Excellent post, and a very interesting, thought-provoking observation!

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    All this is, and will prove out to be, is a delay on the part of Russia to help Assad save his own butt.

    Why do I say that? Simple actually. There's no way the UN or anyone else can secure those chemical weapons in the middle of an active war zone. Even if it wasn't a war zone (with people shooting whatever moved and dropping artillery and mortar shells everywhere) it would take months to identify and inventory the weapons, and YEARS to stabilize, transport and dispose of them.

    In other words, this proposal is a made for TV movie, and not reality. It gives Obama the out from the corner he backed himself into ("damn, you mean they crossed the Red Line? Uh, I mean... what Red Line?) and it gives Russia the ability to give Assad time to regroup and more than likely survive.

    And that's only if they can get the opposition forces to agree. Last I heard, no one had asked them what they thought about all this. My guess is, they don't care what Obama says at this point, since they can't rely on him telling the truth or following through with what he does say, and they damn sure don't care what Putin, or Iran, or anyone else says either.

    They didn't get into this fight over chemical weapons. They protested against Assad during the Arab Spring, Assad attacked them, and they fought back.

    None of that has changed.
    Excellent! It will now be seen what the next chapter in this saga brings.

    Good morning, Beadreaux!

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    All this is, and will prove out to be, is a delay on the part of Russia to help Assad save his own butt.

    Why do I say that? Simple actually. There's no way the UN or anyone else can secure those chemical weapons in the middle of an active war zone. Even if it wasn't a war zone (with people shooting whatever moved and dropping artillery and mortar shells everywhere) it would take months to identify and inventory the weapons, and YEARS to stabilize, transport and dispose of them.

    In other words, this proposal is a made for TV movie, and not reality. It gives Obama the out from the corner he backed himself into ("damn, you mean they crossed the Red Line? Uh, I mean... what Red Line?) and it gives Russia the ability to give Assad time to regroup and more than likely survive.

    And that's only if they can get the opposition forces to agree. Last I heard, no one had asked them what they thought about all this. My guess is, they don't care what Obama says at this point, since they can't rely on him telling the truth or following through with what he does say, and they damn sure don't care what Putin, or Iran, or anyone else says either.

    They didn't get into this fight over chemical weapons. They protested against Assad during the Arab Spring, Assad attacked them, and they fought back.

    None of that has changed.
    I'm sure when Putin heard John Kerry offer that president Assad could avoid a US attack on his country by turning his chemical weapons over to the international community on Sunday morning from London, he immediately called Assad and told him to jump on it. Assad can't use them anyway, it would be the quickest way to bring on the wrath of the world and cost him his support from China and Russia. And his conventional weaponry is sufficient for him to crush the terrorists operating within his borders, if, IF, the US would stop arming, training, supplying and otherwise giving material aid to those extremists. If not, then we can expect an extended civil war and death tolls to continue to rise.

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    Re: How the Syria Plan Broke Through, Just in Time.....

    And I just want to repeat this again. The US secured a resolution from the UN to use military force in Libya to protect civilians. That resolution had the support of China and Russia. But, that resolution was abused by the US to go on the offensive against Gaddafi's forces weakening them to the point that they collapsed and the government was overthrown. Whether anybody here likes it or not, China and Russia were pissed by that, felt betrayed and subsequently both vowed not to allow this same thing to happen in Syria. That would be why they have blocked all attempts at the UN for sanctions, no fly zones and use of military force. Then because of that they have watched the US and its ally's covertly due what they were denied the ability to do overtly. So, they are still pissed, they see the US handwringing about civilians as disingenuous, and "regime change" as the true motivating factor. And indeed, that has been a Pentagon goal for at least two decades. So, China and Russia being on the right side of this one, and refusing to budge has the US between a rock and a hard spot that would be a difficult situation for any president to handle. President Assad would have rather easily suppressed the rebels early on and we wouldn't even be talking about this today if the US would have done the right thing at the beginning.

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    It's funny to watch how some people are trying to spin the Obama administrations successful effort to disarm the Syrians of their chem weapons as a bad thing.
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