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    Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Rape apologists are those blaming people putting women in the military for rapes instead of blaming the people who actually do the rapes.
    I certainly don't blame women who have been raped or sexually assaulted for joining the military. But this of course can be based on a case by case basis. I have met many females while in the military that love the male attention and expect everyone to play by her rules. She holds the power to destroy someones career if she wishes and she knows this. I have seen women use this as leverage at work in order to get what they want and when they don't, that is when her flirtatious behavior is used against whoever does her wrong. There is no counter balance to this tactic and that is what the new problem in the military will be once we get done completely destroying the protection from being accused of rape.
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    Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I certainly don't blame women for who have been raped or sexually assaulted for joining the military. But this of course can be based on a case by case basis. I have met many females while in the military that love the male attention and expect everyone to play by her rules. She holds the power to destroy someones career if she wishes and she knows this. I have seen women use this as leverage at work in order to get what they want and when they don't, that is when her flirtatious behavior is used against whoever does her wrong. There is no counter balance to this tactic and that is what the new problem in the military will be once we get done completely destroying the protection from being accused of rape.
    And I understand that "can" happen but are you actually making a claim that this is the majority? If not then let's stick to what is actually being talked about and that is some people blaming rapes on the people that put women in the military and how wrong that is.

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    Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And I understand that "can" happen but are you actually making a claim that this is the majority? If not then let's stick to what is actually being talked about and that is some people blaming rapes on the people that put women in the military and how wrong that is.
    I certainly don't hear a majority of people claiming that women are responsible for being raped because they joined the military. I do believe we need to hold women more responsibly for their own personal safety but that is not the same as blaming them for the result. For example, and one I have seen quite often, a female that goes out with a group of guys and get silly drunk with them. She likes the attention, she liked her attention being fought over and competed for. It strokes her ego.. But what these women are not being taught, and what they should be taught is that the attention seeking and ego stroking they are involving themselves in leaves them open for being taken advantage of. There needs to be social pressure on women for this to become unacceptable behavior, or at least called what it is, stupid. Just as any guy would be called stupid for walking down a street in a bad neighborhood with wads of money hanging out of their pockets when they get robbed. It does not excuse the crime or the criminal from being charged. But we all would call that guy an idiot, which is why most people don't do it. There simply is no social pressure on women to feel responsible for their own well being. They are basically told that it is the responsibility of everone else around them to make sure they are protected. I think that if there was more social pressure on women to keep themselves out of dangerous situations and watch out for themselves, rape statistics would decline. I think we are not attacking the problem correctly.
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    Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase [W:68]

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    The big problem I have with this is that it is looked at as if it is a recent problem. The truth of the matter is that sexual assault and rape are actually WAY DOWN in the military. A few factors are driving the upward trend in numbers. One factor is the reporting system. The reporting system gives victims options they did not have before to report sexual assaults and rapes. Victims can remain anonymous until the investigation is completed and charges are filed. This was a much needed change.... However, while this was a positive change, the negative change is the expansion of the definition of sexual assault. Simply put, sexual assault is defined by the offended individual. Simply looking at a female the wrong way can be sexual assault in the military. The other negative aspect is that since reported sexual assaults and rapes have gone up due to the ease of reporting and not because there has been an actual increase in the number of sexual assaults and rapes, there has been a lot of alarmism and knee jerk reactions. This has allowed more frivilous and false claims lead to prosecution of innocent people. There has not been a counter ballance to this such as sever punishments for false reporting, nor has there been emphisis on investigating the credibility of the claim. In many cases, the credibility of the victim is not admissable in court.

    So all in all, this has been a negative thing for victims of real sexual assault and rape along with the protection of false accusations.
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    Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase [W:68]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Do you not understand the logic I am presenting...... The fact that more are being reported really means nothing considering there have been vast changes in the reporting process along with the ever expanding definition of sexual assault is more likely the reason why it looks as if there are more of them. When in reality, there are not really more sexual assaults / rapes occurring, its just that they are being reported, and in some cases, over reported where as before, they were not.
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    Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    According to the Army's "Blue Book" after repealing DADT same sex homosexual rapes have significantly increased in the Army.

    Liberals rarely ever get any thing right and when it comes to social engineering they never take the time to look at what the consequences will be.

    Going back to the liberal social engineering during the Vietnam war with McNamara's "Moron Brigade" to todays Obama agenda of changing the face of the U.S. military by using liberal social engineering, soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen end up unnecessary bleeding and dieing in the name of political correctness.
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    Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yeah, it is in SOME men's nature to rape. You act as if I said all men rape all women. Read what I friggin said. I said the more women are around men, the more rapes will occur. It's inevitable. That's with anything in life. If you drive more, you're more apt to wreck. If you play sports, you're more apt to be injured. The more women are around men, the more likely it is that a woman will run across a man who will sexually assault her. It's the way the world works. And NOWHERE in my post did I say it was okay bro. If you can point it out, I'd love to see it. You just decided you didn't like what I said and tried to take it to an extreme because you really have no counterpoint or understanding of what I'm talking about.
    The fact of the matter is that we can't predict what men will sexually assault women. We can't control that. The one thing we CAN CONTROL is the amount of time women spend time around men in confined/stressful/austere environments. When our leadership, civilian and military, decide they want to allow women to be in areas or MOS's that will make them be around men more often, they need to be prepared to deal with the consequences. All men know it's not okay to sexually assault a woman. We all know we'll go to jail for it. Yet some of us still do it. So really there's no other logical thing to do other than separate men and women in the military. Politicians and General officers have decided that equality is more important than safety. And here we are.
    Rape is a felony. There are two other options that are far more appropriate:

    1) Better screening of our military. People who commit rape are not average, run of the mill males. They are criminals or suffer from some issue. Our military should be doing all it can to make sure that members are not going to commit criminal acts. Now, I understand that preventing this completely is not possible. Not everyone shows signs. However, better screening might prevent some of these acts.

    2) Education of our military. More sex interaction education. We are dealing with young people who need to be reminded that just because they have impulses, do NOT mean that they have the right to succumb to them, and just because women are around, doesn't mean that they can do as they please.

    Preventing women from serving is absurd. It's reactionary. It gives the impression that women are the lesser sex and need to be protected. It also designates men as predators. These are gross overgeneralizations.
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    Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You always know when a post has no credibility when someone uses the word "liberal" or "conservative" more than twice. This post is an excellent example of this.
    No, I don't know that.

    So which one is it ?

    Homosexuals rapes haven't increased in the Army after repealing DADT ?

    That McNamara's Moron Brigade prevailed on the battlefield and we marched down the streets of Hanoi in victory ?

    Or that soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen don't bleed or die because of liberal social engineering experimentations ?

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    Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    1) Better screening of our military.

    2) Education of our military. More sex interaction education. Preventing women from serving is absurd. It's reactionary.

    It gives the impression that women are the lesser sex and need to be protected.
    It seems it's has been the libs in the name of political correctness who has forbid the military to screen out those who shouldn't be serving in our military. It's the libs who keep lowering the standards.

    How many more diversity and sensitivity courses must those serving in the military must attend ? These mandatory PC courses have already lowered the combat readiness of our military, how much more does the left want ?

    So what do you suggest, communist style brainwashing that it's politically incorrect to protect women ?

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    Re: Official: Reports of Sex Assault in Navy Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It seems it's has been the libs in the name of political correctness who has forbid the military to screen out those who shouldn't be serving in our military. It's the libs who keep lowering the standards.

    How many more diversity and sensitivity courses must those serving in the military must attend ? These mandatory PC courses have already lowered the combat readiness of our military, how much more does the left want ?

    So what do you suggest, communist style brainwashing that it's politically incorrect to protect women ?
    Let's see... two libs, one left, and one communist implying the left. No substance in your post at all.
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