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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    All well and good but I'm talking about America here.
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    The slippery slope is when you change the fundamental established meaning of the word marriage. Marriage has always been a union between a man and a woman and when you alter that to be a man and a man, a woman and a woman you have taken a huge step down that slippery slope. From that point everyone with a relationship other than the traditional one will demand to be allowed to marry. Slippery slope, camels nose under the tent, call it what you will but marriage will be under constant assault.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    America did not invent marriage, and if you want tradition you have to go back to all traditions. BTW if you are just looking at america there is no way the government can respect the religious definitions of marriage by denying couples of legally consenting age marriage based on biblical rules.
    You misunderstand me. From the beginning I said I personally don't care one way or the other but the fact is once you start down this path with gay marriage you don't know where it will end. If you think all consenting adults should be able to marry that is fine but realize you are drastically changing the entire concept of marriage to this point in US history.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    translation: you go nothing, thanks i knew that
    You're still not getting it, I don't care if you agree with me or how off base you are in your opinions. Altering the posts of others is a no-no, stop it.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'm all for giving them all legal rights but if you let them get married you fundamentally change the meaning of the word. There is no denying that.
    Actually, no you do not. You do not change the legal contract one bit. Since the legal contract only specifies ghender out of tradition and not because gender has a role in the rules of the contract it is simple just to add two people of the same gender to the contract. Even the religious terms of marriage are not changed as per their churches as they existed separately before and no religious marriage is held as valid over any other. So nothing actually changes aside from what certain people view marriage as, and since the definition does not depend on the individual for legal and communication purposes in society at large, there is no legitimate change for society, just for those who don't know the meaning of the word anyway.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Oh, so you do recognize the slippery slopes are not connected. BTW polygamists are not the next to ask for marriage since they have been demanding it for much longer than gays have. You do remember mittens romnifeller from last election? Word has it his parents were polygamists who were in this religion with other polygamists who fought against a ban on polygamy and felt so strongly about it they went to mexico so they could practice it. In other words, the gays are the next ones after polygamists to ask for marriage rights. The polygamists never stopped, but they might feel empowered to ask more often if gay marriage is recognized.
    Mormons were the only ones who "demanded it" as you say but they were quickly put in their place and I have seen no big movement to reinstitute polygamy in modern times.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No equal rights are not entitlements. But this whole gay marriage thing is. And you join Agent J in not knowing what you're talking about. I have no anger against gay, straight, or sideways folks - never have.
    This is the final phase in "you people's" discrimination against gays. You can pretend "I'm all for them except" all you want but it won't change anything. Just let it go, its ok.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Gays, then more than 2 people...

    Well, we know where it's gonna end up.


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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Actually, no you do not. You do not change the legal contract one bit. Since the legal contract only specifies ghender out of tradition and not because gender has a role in the rules of the contract it is simple just to add two people of the same gender to the contract. Even the religious terms of marriage are not changed as per their churches as they existed separately before and no religious marriage is held as valid over any other. So nothing actually changes aside from what certain people view marriage as, and since the definition does not depend on the individual for legal and communication purposes in society at large, there is no legitimate change for society, just for those who don't know the meaning of the word anyway.
    I agree that tradition is the key word here. Hundreds of years of tradition make marriage between one man and one woman a societal norm.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    1.)The definition of a gay and a polygamist are both based on strong personal preference.
    2.) I understand your opinion that keeping the two partner limit is "fundamental" to a marriage "partnership", but why is that not true of a business "partnership"?
    3.) The point is that once a strong personal preference requires that the state present a compelling state interest to justify the "inequality" of the law, that makes a polygamy ban a tough thing to justify, especially since it is a much more popular form of marriage than SSM is worldwide.
    1.) no, 100% false no where in law or precedence is that established at all. that the point you are missing. and even in science/nature/biology this is not true. One is a sexual orientation and the other is a simple want.
    2.) you clearly dont understand anything because i never said that or even suggested it
    3.) see #1
    and also see my statements to you previously about BANS, bands would give them power but that would have nothing to to with gay marriage it would be about the ban.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    1.)You're still not getting it, I don't care if you agree with me
    2.) or how off base you are in your opinions.
    3.) Altering the posts of others is a no-no, stop it.
    1.) uhm who said you cared? i certainly didnt
    2.) i didnt really discuss opinions with you i was talkign about facts
    2.) im not altering your posts in that sense, im numbering your points and replying directly to them
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