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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

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    1.)Yeah, yeah, tell it to someone who buys your lame argument that this all has anything to do with equal rights under the Constitution. I know you like to repeat it incessantly, so have at it. Still not buying it.
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    1.) honest and educated people dont care what you buy because you buying it or not doesnt impact that facts
    2.) no i cant do what i want theres laws i must follow and rights of others i must respect.
    3.) to bad you feel that way, the awesome thing is you are free to leave and find a country with less freedom and rights that suits you.
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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You are the one that said it could be a next step and by so doing agreed with me. I don't know what you want to argue about?
    see thats it you dont understand what a slippery slope is, thanks for clearing that fact up.

    like i said if you disagree provide the facts that lead for gay marriage to polygamy marriage just based on gay marriage. Id love to read it. Maybe you dont know what slippery slope actually means?
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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

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    After a careful forensic analysis of that image, I think I've found the source of American Conservatism!!
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    LOL funny but again i have to point out many conservatives are for equal rights for gays
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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    see thats it you dont understand what a slippery slope is, thanks for clearing that fact up.

    like i said if you disagree provide the facts that lead for gay marriage to polygamy marriage just based on gay marriage. Id love to read it. Maybe you dont know what slippery slope actually means?
    The slippery slope is when you change the fundamental established meaning of the word marriage. Marriage has always been a union between a man and a woman and when you alter that to be a man and a man, a woman and a woman you have taken a huge step down that slippery slope. From that point everyone with a relationship other than the traditional one will demand to be allowed to marry. Slippery slope, camels nose under the tent, call it what you will but marriage will be under constant assault.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Personally I don't care much about the gay marriage issue one way or the other but it does raise a question. If gays can marry who or what is next, should we start with making polygamy legal? If anyone can marry anyone why can't anyone marry multiple people? Why not one man and two women or even two women and a man or..... use your imagination. Once you start messing around with "marriage" where does it end?
    From the point of legal status and the legal ramifications of that idea you do run into a more complicated contract which requires more rules and arbitration. The marriage contract focusses a lot on legal responsibilities, assets, and the status of the contract. You have singles, you have doubles, but when you get into a polygamous marriage you enter into a contract that would look more like a corporate contract. For instance if a couple decides to break up the partnership is done and they go back to single status. If you have three or more people it is likely some will chose to stay together and others will chose to leave the contract. How do you divide things up when the contract is over considering divorce is pretty standard? Who gets to make decisions on finances for someone if they are incapacitated? As a partnership one person gets that authority, but then you would have multiple people in charge who would potentially have a say in things like medical treatments, and different opinions which they may not have time to argue out. In this case you do actually have large complications which come about that are not religious in nature.

    It is not that these issues cannot be addressed as we have legal contracts like corporations which are defined by a starting contract where the members decide things like responsibilities and asset management when they enter in, and often have methods for members leaving and other issues. It is not very romantic or religious to start declaring these things before a marriage which is a legal contract which is treated very simplistically by many people entering into it. People do not like looking at the divide between the religious and romantic areas of marriage and the legal contract which is what the state is truly responsible for. I think people would have to start taking a much less romanticized view of marriage in order to make polygamy work, and I don't think that is what people in love are really prepared to do today.

    I do not have any real opposition to it on a emotional or religious standpoint. If you do not feel it is right on a moral standpoint you simply do not have to involve yourself in one. Still, it is hard enough for the government to handle all the BS of a divorce between two people and maybe they should stay out of polygamy and leave it to religion to make religious oaths between people and limit the personal contracts to partnerships.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) honest and educated people dont care what you buy because you buying it or not doesnt impact that facts
    Well, knowing from living with myself my entire life that I am honest and educated and not knowing you from Adam pretty much tells me you're on the wrong tack there. You have it wrong about me, what else do you have wrong? Also knowing how people have voted in the majority tells me what other people (beside yourself and the minority that thinks like you do) do indeed care what I think.

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    2.) no i cant do what i want theres laws i must follow and rights of others i must respect.
    Then you're not as bright as you advertise. You've helped to set up a condition in this country where all you have to do is manufacture a new constitutional right in order to do what you please.

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    3.) to bad you feel that way, the awesome thing is you are free to leave and find a country with less freedom and rights that suits you.
    As you have been this entire time. And nope, not gonna leave, I'm here for the free stuff remember? I've joined your side of the deal.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    I'd rather it be made legal in all 50 states so I can find out what liberals will bitch about next.

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The slippery slope is when you change the fundamental established meaning of the word marriage. Marriage has always been a union between a man and a woman and when you alter that to be a man and a man, a woman and a woman you have taken a huge step down that slippery slope. From that point everyone with a relationship other than the traditional one will demand to be allowed to marry. Slippery slope, camels nose under the tent, call it what you will but marriage will be under constant assault.
    A same-sex union was known in Ancient Greece and Rome,[2] ancient Mesopotamia,[3] in some regions of China, such as Fujian province, and at certain times in ancient European history.[4] These same-sex unions continued until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. A law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) was issued in 342 AD by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans, which prohibited same-sex marriage in ancient Rome and ordered that those who were so married were to be executed. [5]
    Same-sex marital practices and rituals were more recognized in Mesopotamia than in ancient Egypt.[6] In the ancient Assyrian society, there was nothing amiss with homosexual love between men.[7] Some ancient religious Assyrian texts contain prayers for divine blessings on homosexual relationships.[8][9][9] The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis the love of a man for a woman and of a man for man.[10]
    In the southern Chinese province of Fujian, through the Ming dynasty period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[11] Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.[12]

    History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    From the point of legal status and the legal ramifications of that idea you do run into a more complicated contract which requires more rules and arbitration. The marriage contract focusses a lot on legal responsibilities, assets, and the status of the contract. You have singles, you have doubles, but when you get into a polygamous marriage you enter into a contract that would look more like a corporate contract. For instance if a couple decides to break up the partnership is done and they go back to single status. If you have three or more people it is likely some will chose to stay together and others will chose to leave the contract. How do you divide things up when the contract is over considering divorce is pretty standard? Who gets to make decisions on finances for someone if they are incapacitated? As a partnership one person gets that authority, but then you would have multiple people in charge who would potentially have a say in things like medical treatments, and different opinions which they may not have time to argue out. In this case you do actually have large complications which come about that are not religious in nature.

    It is not that these issues cannot be addressed as we have legal contracts like corporations which are defined by a starting contract where the members decide things like responsibilities and asset management when they enter in, and often have methods for members leaving and other issues. It is not very romantic or religious to start declaring these things before a marriage which is a legal contract which is treated very simplistically by many people entering into it. People do not like looking at the divide between the religious and romantic areas of marriage and the legal contract which is what the state is truly responsible for. I think people would have to start taking a much less romanticized view of marriage in order to make polygamy work, and I don't think that is what people in love are really prepared to do today.

    I do not have any real opposition to it on a emotional or religious standpoint. If you do not feel it is right on a moral standpoint you simply do not have to involve yourself in one. Still, it is hard enough for the government to handle all the BS of a divorce between two people and maybe they should stay out of polygamy and leave it to religion to make religious oaths between people and limit the personal contracts to partnerships.
    So in your opinion will people in a threesome relationship try to get married if the gays do or not?

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    Re: Gay Marriage Stirs Little Public Outcry in NM

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    A same-sex union was known in Ancient Greece and Rome,[2] ancient Mesopotamia,[3] in some regions of China, such as Fujian province, and at certain times in ancient European history.[4] These same-sex unions continued until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. A law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) was issued in 342 AD by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans, which prohibited same-sex marriage in ancient Rome and ordered that those who were so married were to be executed. [5]
    Same-sex marital practices and rituals were more recognized in Mesopotamia than in ancient Egypt.[6] In the ancient Assyrian society, there was nothing amiss with homosexual love between men.[7] Some ancient religious Assyrian texts contain prayers for divine blessings on homosexual relationships.[8][9][9] The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis the love of a man for a woman and of a man for man.[10]
    In the southern Chinese province of Fujian, through the Ming dynasty period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[11] Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.[12]

    History of same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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