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    Re: Union Square ‘I hate white people’ beating victim dies; suspect in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I agree, if we're going to have the insipid hate crime laws in the first place, might as well evenly apply them.
    You want to try a minority with a hate crime? Got one thing to say about that:


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    Re: Union Square ‘I hate white people’ beating victim dies; suspect in court.

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    So you've made this thread about YOU. How very liberal of you.
    Aww, somebody's mad that the facts don't agree with them. How conservative of you.
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    Re: Union Square ‘I hate white people’ beating victim dies; suspect in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You want to try a minority with a hate crime? Got one thing to say about that:
    Yeah, and the fact that you are right in your comment shows the absolute racist stupidity of hate crime law.

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    Re: Union Square ‘I hate white people’ beating victim dies; suspect in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, and the fact that you are right in your comment shows the absolute racist stupidity of hate crime law.
    The origin of hate crime legislation is cemented in media sensationalism. It's the same reason why black-on-black or black-on-white crime is mundane and not noteworthy, but white-on-black is "man bites dog".

    I'd be against this man tried for a hate crime because I don't believe in hate crimes. However, since the abolition of that has a snowball's chance, I'm with you in that it should be applied equally. That one's not quite as improbable.

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    Re: Union Square ‘I hate white people’ beating victim dies; suspect in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Just FYI, the defense didn't use stand your ground. It wasn't demonstrated to be a "straightforward case of Stand Your Ground," in any way. No one even tried to demonstrate that. As for the OP, they should prosecute this as a hate crime.
    There should be no such thing as a "hate crime". We have warped our justice system into something far different than what is suggested by the 14th amendment's equal treatment clause. How is it any "worse" to be attacked for your "status" than to be attacked for your wallet? The entire idea of having aggravating and mitigating factors, not only now used in the sentencing process but now in the application of initial charges is crazy. Justice is becoming far too targetted (tailored?), the blindfold has been removed competely. The scoring of a crime based on the "special" status of the perp and/or victim is insane.
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    Re: Union Square ‘I hate white people’ beating victim dies; suspect in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There should be no such thing as a "hate crime". We have warped our justice system into something far different than what is suggested by the 14th amendment's equal treatment clause. How is it any "worse" to be attacked for your "status" than to be attacked for your wallet? The entire idea of having aggravating and mitigating factors, not only now used in the sentencing process but now in the application of initial charges is crazy. Justice is becoming far too targetted (tailored?), the blindfold has been removed competely. The scoring of a crime based on the "special" status of the perp and/or victim is insane.
    That's what happens when politicians cater to the lowest common denominator of constituents.

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    Re: Union Square ‘I hate white people’ beating victim dies; suspect in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That's what happens when politicians cater to the lowest common denominator of constituents.
    Yep. We seem to invent crimes based on the victim/perp "class" now. Carjacking was invented largely because the typical victim was a suburban housewife at the mall; it was already (at least) two serious felonies - grand theft auto, possibly kidnapping and armed robbery. Hate crime was invented because then you could still give "wrist slap" sentences for "simple" assault and battery (or vandalism) and yet give bigots extreme sentences for committing the same basic crime.
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    Re: Union Square ‘I hate white people’ beating victim dies; suspect in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There should be no such thing as a "hate crime". We have warped our justice system into something far different than what is suggested by the 14th amendment's equal treatment clause. How is it any "worse" to be attacked for your "status" than to be attacked for your wallet? The entire idea of having aggravating and mitigating factors, not only now used in the sentencing process but now in the application of initial charges is crazy. Justice is becoming far too targetted (tailored?), the blindfold has been removed competely. The scoring of a crime based on the "special" status of the perp and/or victim is insane.
    The point isn't the status of the attacker, it's the purpose of the attack. Should terrorism be treated the same as simple assault? Was 9/11 more than 3,000 murders? Was the whole greater than the sum of it's parts? What about the beltway snipers. Is what they did simple murder, or is the culminated effect of it a crime in and of itself? If so, then why are hate crimes any different?

    If the motive and effect of a crime are greater than the crime itself, why shouldn't that be an additional charge? For example, if a new synagogue is built in a neighborhood that previously had none, and on Saturday morning when the Rabbi gets there to open the doors, there are swastika’s and Nazi propaganda spray painted on the church with stuff like "Jews get out" all over the building, would that be no different than a graffiti charge for some kid spray painting "Timmy + Janice 4ever" or something on the side of the church?

    If you see that as being the same thing as a graffiti charge, then you're not taking a very good look at the nature of the crime. A hate crime is an attack on a whole population.
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    Re: Union Square ‘I hate white people’ beating victim dies; suspect in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The origin of hate crime legislation is cemented in media sensationalism. It's the same reason why black-on-black or black-on-white crime is mundane and not noteworthy, but white-on-black is "man bites dog".

    I'd be against this man tried for a hate crime because I don't believe in hate crimes. However, since the abolition of that has a snowball's chance, I'm with you in that it should be applied equally. That one's not quite as improbable.
    I'm all for it. As ridiculous as I think hate crime laws are it's still the law and the prosecutor should pursue that aspect of it because we all know that if their races were reversed and it was a white man saying that he hated black people and then killed a black man then the words "hate crime" "bigotry" and "racism" would be all over the news.
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    Re: Union Square ‘I hate white people’ beating victim dies; suspect in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    I'm all for it. As ridiculous as I think hate crime laws are it's still the law and the prosecutor should pursue that aspect of it because we all know that if their races were reversed and it was a white man saying that he hated black people and then killed a black man then the words "hate crime" "bigotry" and "racism" would be all over the news.
    You're right, and of course it would. The difference is that white people tend not to care about such things (outside of a few minor fringe groups), but the reverse would cause the likes of Sharpton and Jackson to exit their black caves, rally the morons that follow their cults of personality, and make outrageous, vocal claims.

    Pretty much the only (and easiest) way to level out the playing field would be to make huge deals about cases like this and push for extended jail sentences for this man. Maybe the black activist community and other minorities of double-digit IQs can see how stupid they look.

    Hell, just look at this board. You hardly see any white race-baiters around, but you see plenty of black ones (or white race apologists making asses of themselves). It's just accepted. Therein lies the problem.

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