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    Re: Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's a part of a whole investigation into "re-homing" which occurs under the radar, it's not one story about one kid. Even so, child safety is a place for the "government" to get involved.

    And these are American children. According to the law, they become American citizens when the plane lands. It also is happening to children who were born and adopted within the US. By any measure, they are Americans.
    State or Federal?
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    Re: Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    State or Federal?
    When they're crossing state lines, it's federal.


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    Re: Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave

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    Re: Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is just one more reason supporting the assertion that the state has no place in regulating parents and children. Who is the state to tell this mother she can't abuse her kids as she see fits? This is just an intrusion intro privacy. I mean, we can deny kids healthcare but we can't make them dig their own graves? What's next? We can't bring them into religious cults that place their lives in danger? This is an affront to freedom of parenthood. Endangering my kids is a right damn it.
    Crap, but creative.

    You do pose a good question though - "who is the State to..." < Fill in the blank > ?

    What makes the State a decent arbiter of.... anything? And why are some so totally enamored with the State's ability to "cure" issues like this one? Is the State a demonstrably good parent that it can dictate, let alone enforce what makes a "good parent?" What is the State's record as a parent? How many kids has the State had? What was their GPA in school?

    I know who speaks for the State - politicians who we seem to eagerly listen to, and vote for, but whose own personal lives we conveniently and often embarrassingly ignore.

    I know everyone here reading this would eagerly have the State into their home to "inspect" how they were doing with their kids, their chores, their... yes even their taxes. The State is so wonderful, we'd have them over for beer and brats, to listen to their wisdom, to sit at their compassionate feet. We'd shower them with laurels and rose petals. We'd confess our every sin to them, begging for forgiveness and restoration. We'd tell our friends about the State, how excited we are to have them visit us. We'd invite them over to meet the State so they too could be as blessed as we...

    NOT.
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    Re: Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    When they're crossing state lines, it's federal.
    mmmk, so what part of the Constitution covers that? Commerce clause?
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    Re: Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    So, should permits be required to have children? Including a background check? How about a $5K license fee (goes into the child's education or SS fund)?
    It would end the tea party in a generation or two. Not a bad idea.

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    Re: Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Crap, but creative.

    You do pose a good question though - "who is the State to..." < Fill in the blank > ?

    What makes the State a decent arbiter of.... anything? And why are some so totally enamored with the State's ability to "cure" issues like this one? Is the State a demonstrably good parent that it can dictate, let alone enforce what makes a "good parent?" What is the State's record as a parent? How many kids has the State had? What was their GPA in school?

    I know who speaks for the State - politicians who we seem to eagerly listen to, and vote for, but whose own personal lives we conveniently and often embarrassingly ignore.

    I know everyone here reading this would eagerly have the State into their home to "inspect" how they were doing with their kids, their chores, their... yes even their taxes. The State is so wonderful, we'd have them over for beer and brats, to listen to their wisdom, to sit at their compassionate feet. We'd shower them with laurels and rose petals. We'd confess our every sin to them, begging for forgiveness and restoration. We'd tell our friends about the State, how excited we are to have them visit us. We'd invite them over to meet the State so they too could be as blessed as we...

    NOT.
    The state seems to be doing a pretty good job at taking abused children away from overzealous conservatives and flower power commune liberals. I trust it more than I do the average nutbag that makes their kid dig their own grave.
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    Re: Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    mmmk, so what part of the Constitution covers that? Commerce clause?
    You could say that. Though your sudden interest in "the Constitution" is fascinating. How about the same part of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to ban partial birth abortion? The same part that puts drug trafficking in the hands of the federal government.

    Like it or not, these children are being trafficked across state lines for purposes that aren't in their best interest. Admit it - you are trying to find any excuse to allow this to continue. Why?


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    Re: Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Crap, but creative.

    You do pose a good question though - "who is the State to..." < Fill in the blank > ?

    What makes the State a decent arbiter of.... anything? And why are some so totally enamored with the State's ability to "cure" issues like this one? Is the State a demonstrably good parent that it can dictate, let alone enforce what makes a "good parent?" What is the State's record as a parent? How many kids has the State had? What was their GPA in school?

    I know who speaks for the State - politicians who we seem to eagerly listen to, and vote for, but whose own personal lives we conveniently and often embarrassingly ignore.

    I know everyone here reading this would eagerly have the State into their home to "inspect" how they were doing with their kids, their chores, their... yes even their taxes. The State is so wonderful, we'd have them over for beer and brats, to listen to their wisdom, to sit at their compassionate feet. We'd shower them with laurels and rose petals. We'd confess our every sin to them, begging for forgiveness and restoration. We'd tell our friends about the State, how excited we are to have them visit us. We'd invite them over to meet the State so they too could be as blessed as we...

    NOT.
    So instead, we should just let people hand their children over to pedophiles?

    What everyone is missing here is that it's not this "dig your own grave" incident. This is part of a large underground child trafficking network. Read the Reuters report this story came from.

    In case anyone is actually interested: Reuters Investigates - The Child Exchange


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    Re: Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave

    And people wonder why I am against adoption and would abort before handing a child over to others to raise .....

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