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Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

MaggieD said:
Toughest lady I ever knew was 5'1" tall. She married a guy 6'2", damn her. (I'm 5'8".) Her son, 6' tall, often had the pleasure of looking at her eye-to-eye as she stood on a CHAIR to get in his face. Chased him down the street in her car one night when he stormed out of the house at 17. She'd have run his ass OVER!!!! I have absolutely no doubt.

She took no **** and gave no quarter. :rofl Loved that gal. Patsy, I miss ya'.
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Gotta love spunky woman with attitude. Right!? No matter how tall.
 
Excon said:
What menacing behavior has been confirmed?
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You took GZ's word for it that Trayvon's was behavior was menacing enough to warrant following him and all he was doing was walking through the neighborhood. Why not her?
 
opendebate said:
You took GZ's word for it that Trayvon's was behavior was menacing enough to warrant following him and all he was doing was walking through the neighborhood. Why not her?
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No, no one said Trayvon's behavior was menacing before he beat on Zimmerman, but there was a recent rash of break ins in the neighborhood, and he wasn't recognized, so Zimmerman checked him out to be safe. There's nothing wrong with that. It's happened to me when I've walked through upscale neighborhoods that I don't live in, and I'm a white guy.

Now, Trayvon beating on Zimmerman, that was menacing behavior, worthy of what he received.
 
opendebate said:
Ummm...yeah. I this qualifies your perspective on this as "special".
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Not all that much really. I've just been around people who carry guns more than most people. The presence of a gun doesn't make me uncomfortable unless I think someone's likely to misuse it. Or unless they point it at me, which is actually covered by point #1. :mrgreen:


But I'm hardly unique. I daresay most cops, soldiers, hunters or sport shooters have had the experience of arguing with another man while guns were present, without necessarily feeling concerned that the guns would be USED.


Now I'll grant you that Zimmerman does not have a track record of being all that great on impulse control or judging long-term consequences of his actions so much... but even so I doubt he'd shoot his wife just because he was angry.
 
opendebate said:
You took GZ's word for it that Trayvon's was behavior was menacing enough to warrant following him and all he was doing was walking through the neighborhood. Why not her?
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there was physical evidence and eyewitnesses in that case.
 
Goshin said:
Not all that much really. I've just been around people who carry guns more than most people. The presence of a gun doesn't make me uncomfortable unless I think someone's likely to misuse it. Or unless they point it at me, which is actually covered by point #1. :mrgreen:

But I'm hardly unique. I daresay most cops, soldiers, hunters or sport shooters have had the experience of arguing with another man while guns were present, without necessarily feeling concerned that the guns would be USED.

Now I'll grant you that Zimmerman does not have a track record of being all that great on impulse control or judging long-term consequences of his actions so much... but even so I doubt he'd shoot his wife just because he was angry.
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Like I said, I appreciate that how you measure feeling threatening is different and valid for you. I am pointing out that as a women we draw that line in a different place because it exists in a different place. It is out of necessity not sensitivity. You have to stop them BEFORE they get mad enough to act rashly or loose control because once they do you are defenseless. Even if the gun was not the threat, if he was saying and doing what she claims he was trying to intimidate her with threatening behavior. Men do that. Not all, but it is a male behavior.
 
Goshin said:
there was physical evidence and eyewitnesses in that case.
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I'm talking about his decision to follow him in the first place not his reaction to Trayvon jumping him
 
opendebate said:
You took GZ's word for it that Trayvon's was behavior was menacing enough to warrant following him and all he was doing was walking through the neighborhood. Why not her?
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There was no reason to disbelieve his word because the evidence in toto said it was believable.

And about Trayvon - Wrong!
He was not just walking through the neighborhood. The evidence is that he was acting suspiciously, which of course is subjective to the viewer.
The police were dispatched to check it out. You don't get to second guess that.

So back to your reply.
She didn't say her husband was acting suspiciously, she made direct allegations.
Have I said the police shouldn't have responded to her call?



But way to dodge my question to you. :lamo
 
opendebate said:
I'm talking about his decision to follow him in the first place not his reaction to Trayvon jumping him
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that decision, while exhibiting less than stellar judgment, was not illegal.
 
opendebate said:
You took GZ's word for it that Trayvon's was behavior was menacing enough to warrant following him and all he was doing was walking through the neighborhood. Why not her?
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How can GZ both have been taken at his word and charged with second degree murder? :roll:
 
Please let this not turn into another national celebrity court case. :roll:
 
opendebate said:
Like I said, I appreciate that how you measure feeling threatening is different and valid for you. I am pointing out that as a women we draw that line in a different place because it exists in a different place. It is out of necessity not sensitivity. You have to stop them BEFORE they get mad enough to act rashly or loose control because once they do you are defenseless. Even if the gun was not the threat, if he was saying and doing what she claims he was trying to intimidate her with threatening behavior. Men do that. Not all, but it is a male behavior.
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1- the bolded line. I have to think that most women don't think this way, because I have more commonly seen the opposite behavior... IE a man is already red-faced angry, TRYING to walk away because he fears his own temper, and the woman pursues him, yelling out the most vile, insulting and belittling things she can think of as if she WANTS him to lose his mind and all self-restraint...

2 - the underlined; It is not a male behavior, it is a human behavior. I have been on the receiving end of females attempting to use threatening behavior and/or violence to have things their way, and I assure you it is not limited to one gender, and it is just as ugly regardless of who is doing it.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Zimmerman taken into custody in gun incident
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I remember how the blacks in my workcenter at Pearl Harbor whooped and celebrated when O.J. was declared innocent of murder. After all the times blacks have been arrested and jailed - and sometimes executed - on trumped-up charges, I really couldn't blame them, as disgusted as I was with the verdict.

But time wounds all heels (as it surely did with O.J.) and as soon as the jury declared Zimmerman not guilty, I was sure he'd be in trouble with the law again. I just didn't figure it would be so soon.
 
Goshin said:
that decision, while exhibiting less than stellar judgment, was not illegal.
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Point is though, he followed him because he assumed him a threat and that was considered good enough. His judgement. Why is hers being questioned?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
How can GZ both have been taken at his word and charged with second degree murder? :roll:
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Taken at his word by his supporters regarding the legitimacy of his judgement that TM was enough of a threat to follow with a gun.
 
opendebate said:
Point is though, he followed him because he assumed him a threat and that was considered good enough. His judgement. Why is hers being questioned?
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Perhaps because she has already recanted part of her accusation.
 
Goshin said:
1- the bolded line. I have to think that most women don't think this way, because I have more commonly seen the opposite behavior... IE a man is already red-faced angry, TRYING to walk away because he fears his own temper, and the woman pursues him, yelling out the most vile, insulting and belittling things she can think of as if she WANTS him to lose his mind and all self-restraint...

2 - the underlined; It is not a male behavior, it is a human behavior. I have been on the receiving end of females attempting to use threatening behavior and/or violence to have things their way, and I assure you it is not limited to one gender, and it is just as ugly regardless of who is doing it.
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Well then brother we need to talk about the kind of women you are spending your time with.
 
opendebate said:
Point is though, he followed him because he assumed him a threat and that was considered good enough. His judgement. Why is hers being questioned?
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Perhaps because the last accusation that the state of Foriduh made against GZ was very expensive and yet not able to command a guilty verdict. It pays to investigate fully, examine physical evidence and witness statements carefully. Often many false claims are made related to a divorce case and she had been charged with and plead guilty to perjury as well. Knowing who to believe in a he said/she said case is not as easy as you might assume. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Perhaps because the last accusation that the state of Foriduh made against GZ was very expensive and yet not able to command a guilty verdict. It pays to investigate fully, examine physical evidence and witness statements carefully. Often many false claims are made related to a divorce case and she had been charged with and plead guilty to perjury as well. Knowing who to believe in a he said/she said case is not as easy as you might assume. ;)
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i actually do not assume. I have an opinion based on what is known now etc....but will wait until more information is provided to commit to anything.
 
opendebate said:
Taken at his word by his supporters regarding the legitimacy of his judgement that TM was enough of a threat to follow with a gun.
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The jury consisted of GZ's supporters? Was the dispatcher also fooled? It is not a crime to report suspicious activity, or to follow someone, especially after the dispatcher asks you to report any changes in the "suspects" behavior.

Dispatcher

Just let me know if he does anything, ok?

Zimmerman

(unclear) See if you can get an officer over here.

Dispatcher

Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
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Transcript of George Zimmerman 911 Call - by Oliver Closoff - Newsvine
 
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