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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post

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    Ah... so essentially you're saying I'm biased on this subject because I experienced abuse. Does that also apply to you? You said you'd experienced abuse as well. Does this apply to women who have been abused? Are they all incapable of being objective about the subject of domestic abuse? Are only those who have NOT been abused capable of being objective about it? Shall we assume then that experience in this matter is not a good teacher and that only those with NO experience in the matter have a valid opinion?
    No I am saying it is probably harder for BOTH of us to be objective. That does not discredit your perspective. The personal experience does not make it impossible it makes it more challenging for anyone...male or female.

    *I* am not biased... I am the one advocating that BOTH genders be responsible and held EQUALLY accountable. The problem is that the man-as-aggressor stereotype is WRONG, just like most stereotypes... and those who perpetrate it should be just as ashamed as those who perpetrate racial stereotypes because it is just as ugly and untrue.
    Completely agree. I have known enough crazy women in my life to know that they are probably more likely to be the instigators.

    Sounds like 'Separate but Equal' to me. You're endorsing gender-bias in law... I have a suspicion you would not like it if the bias ran in the other direction on some other issue
    I understand how you would feel this way. But what are we to do if the objective is to first keep people from causing one another physical harm.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post

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    Ah... so essentially you're saying I'm biased on this subject because I experienced abuse. Does that also apply to you? You said you'd experienced abuse as well. Does this apply to women who have been abused? Are they all incapable of being objective about the subject of domestic abuse? Are only those who have NOT been abused capable of being objective about it? Shall we assume then that experience in this matter is not a good teacher and that only those with NO experience in the matter have a valid opinion?
    No I am saying it is probably harder for BOTH of us to be objective. That does not discredit your perspective. The personal experience does not make it impossible it makes it more challenging for anyone...male or female.

    *I* am not biased... I am the one advocating that BOTH genders be responsible and held EQUALLY accountable. The problem is that the man-as-aggressor stereotype is WRONG, just like most stereotypes... and those who perpetrate it should be just as ashamed as those who perpetrate racial stereotypes because it is just as ugly and untrue.
    Completely agree. I have known enough crazy women in my life to know that they are probably more likely to be the instigators.

    Sounds like 'Separate but Equal' to me. You're endorsing gender-bias in law... I have a suspicion you would not like it if the bias ran in the other direction on some other issue
    I understand how you would feel this way. But what are we to do if the objective is to first keep people from causing one another physical harm.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

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    I hate that I sometime like country music:

    fair is fair: Lenny Kravtiz American Woman

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post


    I understand how you would feel this way. But what are we to do if the objective is to first keep people from causing one another physical harm.



    The same thing we do with all other cases of violence. We say that it is wrong and unlawful to initiate violence against an innocent party, period.


    If one man slaps another in the face, and the other responds by shooting him dead, we tend to prosecute that because it is typically a disproportionate response... but if the slapper had survived he would still be guilty of assault and battery because he did initiate it.

    Similarly, if a woman slaps a man and he responds by punching her and breaking her jaw, that is disproportionate force and he could be subject to prosecution... as could she, since she initiated the assault, but in a lesser degree. However if she tries to brain him with a 4 lb iron skillet, that is assault with a deadly weapon and frankly he'd be justified in killing her to stop that assault.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I'm an old dude, here is the original by those darned Canadians.
    Despite the fact that I happen think that Lenny is a sexy sexy little dude I am not too far behind you in years. So in terms of just quality music....you win.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The same thing we do with all other cases of violence. We say that it is wrong and unlawful to initiate violence against an innocent party, period.


    If one man slaps another in the face, and the other responds by shooting him dead, we tend to prosecute that because it is typically a disproportionate response... but if the slapper had survived he would still be guilty of assault and battery because he did initiate it.

    Similarly, if a woman slaps a man and he responds by punching her and breaking her jaw, that is disproportionate force and he could be subject to prosecution... as could she, since she initiated the assault, but in a lesser degree. However if she tries to brain him with a 4 lb iron skillet, that is assault with a deadly weapon and frankly he'd be justified in killing her to stop that assault.
    I don't think we disagree.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I don't think we disagree.


    A good many women who have experienced domestic abuse respond in the long-term by trying to educate others about the problem.


    You could say I am the male counterpart to that. When the subject arises, I try to inform people and get them to understand that domestic violence most emphatically goes both ways, that the stereotype of "its almost all men's fault" is emphatically wrong, and that we need to be addressing female-on-male domestic abuse as a society rather than sweeping it under the rug.


    For many years it was very difficult for me to talk about it even to my family or close friends; it has taken a lot for me to get to be willing to discuss it with strangers.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You could say I am the male counterpart to that. When the subject arises, I try to inform people and get them to understand that domestic violence most emphatically goes both ways, that the stereotype of "its almost all men's fault" is emphatically wrong, and that we need to be addressing female-on-male domestic abuse as a society rather than sweeping it under the rug.
    For many years it was very difficult for me to talk about it even to my family or close friends; it has taken a lot for me to get to be willing to discuss it with strangers.
    I get that. The really unfair pressures we put on men to be stoic and repressed. A twisted version of strength in my opinion. Good for you for have the genuine courage to discuss it.


    the stereotype of "its almost all men's fault" is emphatically wrong,
    Universals like this almost always are.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

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    You're not serious.
    Damn right I am.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: George Zimmerman in Custody After Gun Incident

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    The real question is this: Why the f*** is this in the news? It isn't important, like, at all.
    Are you kidding me?....on the first part, not the last.

    Of course learning that a man who was acquitted of murder not more than 60 days ago and subsequently threatens his estranged wife and father-in-law WITH A GUN would make national news. Granted, it's not an important issue, but it is newsworthy.

    Look, George Zimmerman's actions since the trial has a lot of people raising a eyebrow about this man. He goes to a gun manufacturing company within days after the trial. Why? He confronts his ex-wife and father-in-law with a gun for goodness sakes! Does he feel emboldened to wave his gun around now as if no one will oppose him? Does he truly believe he "got away with it once, he can get away with it again"?...an inferiority complex? Is he really the mild mannered person he was made out to be?

    Not important, certainly, but interesting...things that make you go, "Hmmmm....?"
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