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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I actually am yes. But my first instinct is to protect against real physical harm. The reality it that you can do more harm then me.
    Bare-handed, I can yes. But a small woman swinging a heavy glass ashtray at my head can kill me, as can a woman wielding a kitchen knife or a gun. And as mentioned, women are 3 times more likely to use weapons in domestic violence than men. Indeed, once things become violent (once someone has opened that door) there is no telling how it will escalate or where it will end... thus both men and women are equally responsible for trying to avoid letting it get to that point.

    I will grant that sometimes the other person will escalate all by themselves... but again studies show this is the female almost as often as the male.



    The woman is just as responsible for controlling herself but if she loses it a man needs to be able to just leave.
    That would be nice. Many men, realizing they are in danger of losing control, will attempt to leave. However, it is so EXTREMELY common that the female attempts to prevent the male from leaving or reacts to his attempts to leave by escalating the violence that it is practically a SCRIPT for how these things get out of hand.

    Try this link.... Domestic Violence Against Men



    I had a man throw me against a wall and shove me into a shower and my response was to quietly walk to the phone and call the police. I tried to calm him down and he wouldn't have it. My only recourse was to call the police because he couldn't stop himself. He was very jealous and felt threatened when there was no need.


    I'm sorry you experienced that. My ex-wife once assaulted me with small metal object because I declined to turn the dryer back on for her upon her third such request (I'd done it the first two times). Later on she attempted to kill me for having the audacity to confront her about an affair I'd just discovered.

    Mean ass crazy knows no gender bounds.





    I don't doubt this. If a man can stop her without loosing control and really hurting her he certainly has a right too. I would say using your physical strength beyond what was required to remove her as a threat. Meaning, taking her weapon

    This is a common fallacy, and often used to SHAME men into suffering abuse in silence... 'well what's the matter, can't you CONTROL that little woman without hurting her?? Are you a man or a mouse?"

    As I mentioned, I have been the victim of female domestic abuse. I was a Deputy Sheriff, almost 6' tall, 230 lbs, black belts in two martial arts. She was 5'6 and under 100 lbs. I had been raised that a man must never EVER raise hands to a woman. This resulted in several episodes of abuse where I stood dumbfounded as to what to do.

    Later I attempted to take careful, self-controlled action as you advised... and discovered that it just made things worse. If I pinned her and held her down to keep her from hitting me, she'd just get madder and madder and when I let her up she would renew her assault on me even more viciously, escalating to blunt objects and/or threats of using a knife on me while I slept. A couple of times while doing this I realized I'd left grip-marks on her arms... and that alone could have sent me to jail for CDV, even though it was actually defensive action that caused it. Lovely huh?

    Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

    Fortunately I kept my self-control... but after a year of this kind of abuse (and hell I haven't even told you the half of it) and treatment I'd had it. I obtained evidence of her assaultive behavior, had her arrested despite the responding officer looking at me as if I was some particularly disgusting specimen of slug for 'not being able to control yer wummun', had her prosecuted despite half the courtroom laughing at me, and as a result got to keep my property and my son and made my divorce.


    I think she still has no idea that it is only by the grace of God that I kept it together and didn't beat her into a bloody pulp on any of dozens of occasions.

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    Re: George Zimmerman in Custody After Gun Incident

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If ya can't put him in jail, kill him in the media and maybe someone will get lucky and off the guy. Sounds about right.
    Oh so you want him dead. Sounds like you and him have some issues in common.
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    Re: George Zimmerman in Custody After Gun Incident

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The asshole punched his father-in-law in the face possibly breaking his nose. It doesn't matter if she pleads to let him go and claims him to be an angel ...that's assault.
    He' going to jail.
    And if that turns out to be true, then yes, he may in fact go to jail.

    So far, the reporting says that no charges are being filed.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I acknowledge that there are inequities here but any other course allows a man to administer a reaction that could be deadly. It is not an equitable fight. So given the reality of the inequality a man should have a little honor, acknowledge his advantage and leave. It's not like she could physically stop you from leaving.

    Nonsense.

    My wife once physically blocked the door. The only way to leave would have been to physically pry her loose, likely leaving bruises. On another occasion she stole my keys and threw them away.

    Also, it is hard to simply walk away when she uses that chance to throw heavy **** at the back of your head. Just sayin'.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    George Zimmerman's estranged wife says he threatened her with gun | Fox News

    Nothing to worry about here, Fox said it was Z's father in laws fault. Superhero status restored. Carry on.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Nonsense.

    My wife once physically blocked the door. The only way to leave would have been to physically pry her loose, likely leaving bruises. On another occasion she stole my keys and threw them away.

    Also, it is hard to simply walk away when she uses that chance to throw heavy **** at the back of your head. Just sayin'.
    Sounds like we both may be too personally embedded in the receiving end of abuse to be objective. Sorry you experienced that as well. I can understand the frustration of being accused of something of which you are not guilty based on nothing more then stereotypical behavior based on gender.


    My ex-husband married a crazy woman and most of my sisters ( I have 5) are crazy ass b**ches. I get it. It's just that if you are going to try to come up with laws that protect the person who is most often physically weaker first, because they are most threatened even if their numbers are fewer, then you have to give more responsibility to men. Sorry, that's messed up but it's reality. I would hope that the system would look at the evidence more objectively and not gender stereotype but hell, they racially stereotype so clearly that's not something we can count on.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    This is not a person with a violent history. I don't know how he could have possibly gotten into such a problem.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I acknowledge that there are inequities here but any other course allows a man to administer a reaction that could be deadly. It is not an equitable fight. So given the reality of the inequality a man should have a little honor, acknowledge his advantage and leave. It's not like she could physically stop you from leaving.
    Yep. Somebody should leave, or at least serously chill out.







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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Sounds like we both may be too personally embedded in the receiving end of abuse to be objective.

    Ah... so essentially you're saying I'm biased on this subject because I experienced abuse. Does that also apply to you? You said you'd experienced abuse as well. Does this apply to women who have been abused? Are they all incapable of being objective about the subject of domestic abuse? Are only those who have NOT been abused capable of being objective about it? Shall we assume then that experience in this matter is not a good teacher and that only those with NO experience in the matter have a valid opinion?





    Are you beginning to realize you just stepped out on really, REALLY thin ice with that statement?


    Edit: I just saw that you said 'we both'... however I still disagree that experience automatically equals biased. *I* am not biased... I am the one advocating that BOTH genders be responsible and held EQUALLY accountable.


    Sorry you experienced that as well. I can understand the frustration of being accused of something of which you are not guilty based on nothing more then stereotypical behavior based on gender.

    The problem is that the man-as-aggressor stereotype is WRONG, just like most stereotypes... and those who perpetrate it should be just as ashamed as those who perpetrate racial stereotypes because it is just as ugly and untrue.

    I've already linked to articles with sourced materials confirming that domestic violence is not REMOTELY a men-only issue... I can find many more, no problem.




    My ex-husband married a crazy woman and most of my sisters ( I have 5) are crazy ass b**ches. I get it. It's just that if you are going to try to come up with laws that protect the person who is most often physically weaker first, because they are most threatened even if their numbers are fewer, then you have to give more responsibility to men. Sorry, that's messed up but it's reality. I would hope that the system would look at the evidence more objectively and not gender stereotype but hell, they racially stereotype so clearly that's not something we can count on.

    Sounds like 'Separate but Equal' to me. You're endorsing gender-bias in law... I have a suspicion you would not like it if the bias ran in the other direction on some other issue.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. Somebody should leave, or at least serously chill out.


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