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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There's also the case that women much more frequently use weapons or blunt objects in their attacks than men, which alters the force equation substantially... especially if the man suffers from a deeply-embedded compulsion not to strike a woman under any circumstances, and can't find a good answer to responding to female domestic violence.

    Most men, in fact, just suffer in silence for years, because, unlike for ladies, there is a distinct lack of societal and court support for men coming out about being the victims of female domestic violence.
    I think all human beings need to exercise the necessary self-restraint to avoid practicing physical or emotional abuse on their spouse.
    I don't disagree with that in theory and understand the inequity here. But men are just bigger and stronger and because of that have a greater obligation towards self control because the outcome posses greater risks. I happen to practice the ethic you endorse but on a larger scale I have to promote more self control on the mans side.

    A woman hitting is just as wrong as a man hitting. It is assault and battery; it is illegal; and furthermore given the disparity of force you've mentioned it is UNWISE in the extreme... and it is unfair that many men end up in prison after RESPONDING violently after years of abuse
    I don't disagree but where does personal responsibility come into play. If you are an abused man or woman and you just take it you have some culpability.

    Let me just make one thing clear. Women are gonna hate me for this. But I think a lot of women are bat **** crazy. But still think that men are obligated to back down.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Ah yes, those that presumed him to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Never trust those biased morons - the prosecutors, Al Sharpton and MSNBC are always right.
    No, I am not endorsing blind allegiance on either side. I value being morally and ethically consistent.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I think men and women are equally responsible to not engage in acts of physical or emotional abuse of their spouse... don't you agree?
    Yes I do. But men are stronger and you have to control your physical selves because it is easier for you to overpower and do harm.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I am one of those women who believes that men have a greater obligation to control themselves then women do. Also, men are easily aggravated by a woman who won't back down (or shut her yap) as you so eloquently put it.
    In my experience the male was generally far more in control of himself than the female was. He may have tried to restrain her or have inadvertently touched her as he was trying to fend off blows but by the time I got there is was almost always him that was calm and rational and her that was still screaming her head off. That wasn't always the case but it was usually the case and when it wasn't it was usually quite obvious what he'd done.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I don't disagree with that in theory and understand the inequity here. But men are just bigger and stronger and because of that have a greater obligation towards self control because the outcome posses greater risks. I happen to practice the ethic you endorse but on a larger scale I have to promote more self control on the mans side.



    I don't disagree but where does personal responsibility come into play. If you are an abused man or woman and you just take it you have some culpability.

    Let me just make one thing clear. Women are gonna hate me for this. But I think a lot of women are bat **** crazy. But still think that men are obligated to back down.


    Are you as adamant about personal responsibility when discussing this from the perspective of abused women? Observing your posts to this point, I would say it does not appear to be the case.

    Is a man obligated to back down all the time? How about when his spouse attacks him with blunt objects capable of causing serious injury, or weapons capable of inflicting critical injury? This happens more often than most people realize, as noted in studies linked to by the article above.

    Why is the man obligated to back down and the woman isn't? Initiating violence against someone you supposedly love is wrong, period, no matter who does it. So men are bigger... well women are three times as likely to use weapons or objects in their violence, I'd say that goes a long way towards evening things out.


    Domestic violence is not a male problem, it is a human problem, and until we recognize that as a society and admit there are two sides to it and both genders are frequently to blame, we will fail to address it correctly.

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    Re: George Zimmerman in Custody After Gun Incident

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where does it say his piece is on his hip?
    Where else would it be? She initially reported he had his hand on it while threatening her. She has since recanted I believe so it all becomes moot now.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Yes I do. But men are stronger and you have to control your physical selves because it is easier for you to overpower and do harm.

    So if a female is flailing away at you and flinging dishes at you you should, as a self controlled male, just stand there and be a target? I've seen more than my share of guys with lumps on their head for daring to turn their back and walk out as "sweetie pie" bashed him with a telephone or a kitchen knife or, in one memorable case, a dildo.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I guess this is where I get a little old fashioned on you G. I think men need to practice greater self control because they have such a physical advantage over women.
    That's no excuse fot a ho to go crazy. If she don't want a dude to go upside her head, she needs to behave.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    No, I am not endorsing blind allegiance on either side. I value being morally and ethically consistent.
    As am I. I am simply pointing out that in a divorce case having criminal allegations, in the form of pending charges from the state, can be a motivation for one party to make such allegations against the other. Why assume that anything illegal actually happened?
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Yes I do. But men are stronger and you have to control your physical selves because it is easier for you to overpower and do harm.

    And women need to control their physical selves, because if you anger a man to the point of rage and THEN initiate violence against him, you are invoking a self-fulfilling prophecy by doing the very things most likely to CAUSE him to become violent... and if you throw the first blow in such a circumstance, you have only yourself to blame for what follows. Don't expect a man to stand there while you spend an hour calling him every vile and hateful thing you can imagine, then proceed to slap him, spit on him, break lamps over his head and threaten to cut off his genitalia.

    We don't expect a 200 lb man to take that off a 100 lb man without response.... why expect a man to take such extreme abuse, violence and assault from a women simply because she's not as muscular? We should not expect it.


    But back to my original theme... nobody needs to be abusing anybody, domestically, and those who initiate such abuse are the abusers and the ones at fault.

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