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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Well then brother we need to talk about the kind of women you are spending your time with.

    It isn't just me; these behavior patterns are well known and there have been scientific studies done.


    Many studies suggest that at least 1/3 of all domestic violence cases are initiated by the female, and that many men arrested for CDV were in fact reacting to an initiation of violence by the female, and in many cases a long-standing pattern of violence by the female. Other studies have demonstrated that domestic violence is typically mutual and women are the aggressors almost as often as men.


    Findings that women are as violent as men have been termed "gender symmetry".[1][9][10][11][12][13]

    A 32-nation study of university students "revealed an overwhelming body of evidence that bidirectional violence is the predominant pattern of perpetration; and this study, along with evidence from many other studies (Medeiros & Straus, 2007), indicates that the etiology of PV is mostly parallel for men and women."[14]

    Straus and Gelles found that in couples reporting spousal violence, 27% of the time the man struck the first blow; in 24% of cases, the woman initiated the violence. The rest of the time, the violence was mutual, with both partners brawling. The results were the same even when the most severe episodes of violence were analyzed. In order to counteract claims that the reporting data was skewed, female-only surveys were conducted, asking females to self-report, and the data was the same.[15] The simple tally of physical acts is typically found to be similar in those studies that examine both directions, but some studies show that male violence may be more serious. Male violence may do more damage than female violence;[16] women are more likely to be injured and/or hospitalized. Female partners are more likely to be killed by their male partners than the reverse (62.1% to 37.9% per Department of Justice study), and women in general are more likely to be killed by their spouses than by all other types of assailants combined.[17] From a data set of 6,200 cases of spousal abuse in the Detroit area of the US in 1978-79, a study found that men used weapons 25% of the time while female assailants used weapons 86% of the time; 74% of men sustained injury and of these 84% required medical care.[18] Other studies report that female perpetrated domestic abuse is more common than male among adolescents.[19][20]
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Abused women often recount their accusations.

    And abused men often do not report female domestic violence at all, or decline to prosecute it.


    Determining how many instances of domestic violence actually involve male victims is difficult. Male domestic violence victims may be reluctant to get help for a number of reasons.[1] Some studies have shown that women who assaulted their male partners were more likely to avoid arrest even when the male victim contacts police.[2] Another study examined the differences in how male and female batterers were treated by the criminal justice system. The study concluded that female intimate violence perpetrators are frequently viewed by law enforcement and the criminal justice system as victims rather than the actual offenders of violence against men.[3] Other studies have also demonstrated a high degree of acceptance of aggression against men by women.[4]

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The jury consisted of GZ's supporters? Was the dispatcher also fooled? It is not a crime to report suspicious activity, or to follow someone, especially after the dispatcher asks you to report any changes in the "suspects" behavior.



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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It isn't just me; these behavior patterns are well known and there have been scientific studies done.


    Many studies suggest that at least 1/3 of all domestic violence cases are initiated by the female, and that many men arrested for CDV were in fact reacting to an initiation of violence by the female, and in many cases a long-standing pattern of violence by the female. Other studies have demonstrated that domestic violence is typically mutual and women are the aggressors almost as often as men.
    I guess this is where I get a little old fashioned on you G. I think men need to practice greater self control because they have such a physical advantage over women.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Well then brother we need to talk about the kind of women you are spending your time with.
    I'm assuming that Goshin is talking about this from an LE standpoint and he's right. In 9 out of 10 of the domestics I responded to things only calmed down after the female shut her yap. I'd also say that in more than half of the disputes the female was the one who was first to act violently.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm assuming that Goshin is talking about this from an LE standpoint and he's right. In 9 out of 10 of the domestics I responded to things only calmed down after the female shut her yap. I'd also say that in more than half of the disputes the female was the one who was first to act violently.
    I am one of those women who believes that men have a greater obligation to control themselves then women do. Also, men are easily aggravated by a woman who won't back down (or shut her yap) as you so eloquently put it.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I guess this is where I get a little old fashioned on you G. I think men need to practice greater self control because they have such a physical advantage over women.

    I think all human beings need to exercise the necessary self-restraint to avoid practicing physical or emotional abuse on their spouse.


    A woman hitting is just as wrong as a man hitting. It is assault and battery; it is illegal; and furthermore given the disparity of force you've mentioned it is UNWISE in the extreme... and it is unfair that many men end up in prison after RESPONDING violently after years of abuse, and how difficult it is to get the police and courts to take female-on-male violence seriously.


    There's also the case that women much more frequently use weapons or blunt objects in their attacks than men, which alters the force equation substantially... especially if the man suffers from a deeply-embedded compulsion not to strike a woman under any circumstances, and can't find a good answer to responding to female domestic violence.

    Most men, in fact, just suffer in silence for years, because, unlike for ladies, there is a distinct lack of societal and court support for men coming out about being the victims of female domestic violence.

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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I am not referring the to the case. I am referring to the public supporters.
    Ah yes, those that presumed him to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Never trust those biased morons - the prosecutors, Al Sharpton and MSNBC are always right.
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    re: Police detain George Zimmerman after 911 call from wife [W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I am one of those women who believes that men have a greater obligation to control themselves then women do. Also, men are easily aggravated by a woman who won't back down (or shut her yap) as you so eloquently put it.

    I think men and women are equally responsible to not engage in acts of physical or emotional abuse of their spouse... don't you agree?

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    Re: George Zimmerman in Custody After Gun Incident

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Its possible. Funny how this guy keeps stepping in sh1t though. Whats a guy doing running around with a gun on his hip while fighting with his wife he is divorcing? Anyone with half a brain would have it put away anytime he's going to be around her if they're getting into it every time they talk. There is also the allegation that he assaulted her father so we'll have to see what evidence there is of that.

    You have to admit this doesn't look pretty. Its like what Chris Rock said about OJ, about another dead white girl showing up at his house and him saying "I know what you're thinkin'".

    Of course people are going to jump on this and say its likely he's a violent psychopath. Especially those sore about him walking about from Florida.
    Where does it say his piece is on his hip?
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