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    Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Coming on the heels that WH aides are indicating that Obama wants to strike Syria because it will be "politically crippling" if they don't, Sec State John Kerry screwed the Administration by leaving an opening in the attack narrative. Russia pounced.....

    Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons - CNN.com
    As Syria said Monday that it supported a proposal to hand over control of its chemical weapons, a key question loomed: Is a diplomatic solution in sight?

    Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem told reporters in Moscow that his nation "welcomes" a proposal by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov during talks on Monday: put Syria's chemical weapons under international control to avert a U.S. military response over an alleged poison gas attack last month.

    "I declare that the Syrian Arab Republic welcomes Russia's initiative, on the basis that the Syrian leadership cares about the lives of our citizens and the security in our country," Moallem said. "We are also confident in the wisdom of the Russian government, which is trying to prevent an American aggression against our people."

    The comments came after Secretary of State John Kerry discussed a similar scenario, but the State Department said later Monday that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could not be trusted to relinquish his country's chemical stockpiles.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Coming on the heels that WH aides are indicating that Obama wants to strike Syria because it will be "politically crippling" if they don't, Sec State John Kerry screwed the Administration by leaving an opening in the attack narrative. Russia pounced.....

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    If this happens? If Syria acquiesces? To think that The White House can't spin this into victory is naive.
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If this happens? If Syria acquiesces? To think that The White House can't spin this into victory is naive.
    I don't see how Mags.....not when Putin was the one who brought it to Obama. Moreover it has been Putin saying let the UN investigators determine what took place. Plus he is siding with Ban Ki Moon and the UN on the issue of use of force and Military action.

    Also if approved.....who's people will be sent in on the ground to hold those Chems Facilities? Who's people are then in the middle of a Civil war and can be targeted? Who can be attacked and even made to look like Al Nusra and the Rebels did it.

    How long would those people have to be there.....to guard, destroy, and hold? Months on end. Boots on the ground and UN approved too.


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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Its good to hear that there is some steps taken for illegal foreign military intervention. Syrian people and their decision should be responsible for their freedom.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Everybody's going to spin this to make it look like their side won.

    The fact is...if this gets chemical weapons off the table and unable to be used...everybody wins.
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    I have no idea why there is such a fixation on the US "not looking weak" as a result of this thing in Syria. And apparently that has to do with whether or not we bomb them. What a weird idea. Does anyone really think that Canada is going to invade us and think is easy pickings? Is the world going to suddenly forget our massive stock of nuclear weapons and the fact that we are the only country that has ever used them? It's seriously a problem if we do something that Russia thought was a good idea before we did? What kind of madness is going on here?
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I have no idea why there is such a fixation on the US "not looking weak" as a result of this thing in Syria. And apparently that has to do with whether or not we bomb them. What a weird idea. Does anyone really think that Canada is going to invade us and think is easy pickings? Is the world going to suddenly forget our massive stock of nuclear weapons and the fact that we are the only country that has ever used them? It's seriously a problem if we do something that Russia thought was a good idea before we did? What kind of madness is going on here?
    Not supporting military intervention in Syria(or Libya before it), but US foreign policy has been "speak softly and carry a big stick" since Teddy Roosevelt.

    It loses its effect when you are just talking to talk.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Not supporting military intervention in Syria(or Libya before it), but US foreign policy has been "speak softly and carry a big stick" since Teddy Roosevelt.

    It loses its effect when you are just talking to talk.
    I'm pretty sure that the last ten years has seen enough of the US beating the snot out of people (usually killing innocent civilians) that people aren't suddenly going to forget about the stick. We have nothing to prove. Even if we don't use that power, no one is going to forget that we have it for generations to come.
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Coming on the heels that WH aides are indicating that Obama wants to strike Syria because it will be "politically crippling" if they don't, Sec State John Kerry screwed the Administration by leaving an opening in the attack narrative. Russia pounced.....[/url]
    To leave flexibility for different approaches that accomplish the same goals is not a "screw up" in diplomacy. It is premature to know whether this framework will be effective.

    In any case, Russia is looking out for its interests in Syria and it has a clear conception of those interests. With the available opportunity, President Putin developed the initiative on account of his clear focus on Russia's interests in Syria. He wants to preserve Russia's strategic naval base and it was an open question whether Russia would cede it were the Assad dictatorship toppled. Russia has backed a diplomatic process that could include an agreed political transition in Syria, but has been clear that there be no preconditions. In other words, President Assad would have fair opportunity to have input.

    Had the air and missile strikes occurred, Russia would have been faced with the question of how to avoid the battlefield's being tilted toward the anti-Assad movement. Russia would have had to increase arms deliveries, possibly even some of its more sophisticated systems. Russia would also have looked to reduce cooperation with the U.S. on a broad spectrum of issues. In doing so, Russia would have incurred costs, as well.

    The mechanism, if it works, would avoid those post-strike measures and their related costs and it would allow Russia strong opportunities to protect its interests in Syria. Numerous risks exist. President Assad could fail to act in good faith. U.S. pro-war advocates such as Senators McCain and Graham could find ways to "blow up" the possible chemical arms agreement before it is concluded and implemented. The anti-Assad forces might also try to thwart it. The U.S. could grow impatient, as implementation will almost certainty require far more than a week's time.

    That the framework could help pull the U.S. President out of a dilemma was perhaps an added inducement for its being offered, but the major push was concentrated on a clear conception of Russia's interests. President Putin has never demonstrated much regard for sentimentalities and good feelings. Hence, an interest-based explanation is likely the only reasonable one. In the larger picture, if this framework reduces the probability of chemical attacks (it won't eliminate it, as the anti-Assad forces have likely used such weapons, as well), that will be a positive outcome. All who signed onto it would receive credit for that outcome.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Not supporting military intervention in Syria(or Libya before it), but US foreign policy has been "speak softly and carry a big stick" since Teddy Roosevelt.

    It loses its effect when you are just talking to talk.
    One has to know when to wield the stick. The stick should be utilized only when critical U.S. interests or strategic allies are at risk. IMO, neither Libya nor Syria meet that test.

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