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Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

How is it spin and not genius? Letting Assad stew about what the U.S. might do to him was pure genius. Bush would have "shocked and awed" him before he had the chance with less than satisfactory results as was usual with him. What is most amazing is that Kerry gave Russia the idea.
I somehow doubt Russia hadn't thought of this before Kerry said it. My guess is the more likely scenario of what happened was Russia saw it's "evidence" of who was responsible for the attack wasn't going to hold water, and rather risk losing credibility and an ally, it jumped at the opportunity to find a way to still keep their ally while saving credibility.

This is a win for everyone, should it come to pass.
 
The weaker we look, the more it emboldens our enemies.

Yeah, I've heard that talking point before. It's never actually explained in real people logic, though. How does not blowing up Syria make us look weak? How weak will it supposedly make us look? What are "our enemies", whoever they are, suddenly going to do now that... they don't think we'll destroy their countries at the drop of a hat? Maybe we shouldn't have started that trend in the first place, and maybe it's the right thing to change the dynamic away from the big strong US dropping fire out of the sky and invading smaller, weaker nations. Nobody is going to think we're "weak". But maybe they'll start to think we're not crazy.

Ditch the childish talking points and actually offer some reasoned ideas.
 
Yeah, I've heard that talking point before. It's never actually explained in real people logic, though. How does not blowing up Syria make us look weak? How weak will it supposedly make us look? What are "our enemies", whoever they are, suddenly going to do now that... they don't think we'll destroy their countries at the drop of a hat? Maybe we shouldn't have started that trend in the first place, and maybe it's the right thing to change the dynamic away from the big strong US dropping fire out of the sky and invading smaller, weaker nations. Nobody is going to think we're "weak". But maybe they'll start to think we're not crazy.

Ditch the childish talking points and actually offer some reasoned ideas.
The problem is that argument is not presented by rational people, it's presented by partisan people. If one party is in the White House and decides one thing, the other party says the opposite.

The only people who believe the 7th grade mentality of having to be tough are people not interested in rationality.
 
But it was Kerry's idea first.

So, Kerry wasn't smart enough to propose his own idea? Kerry or Putin, it doesn't matter, Putin will be seen as the Hero and savior from the Great Satan by all the radicals.
 
Winner:putin
Losers:McCain.Graham,Pelosi,Reid,any member of congress who supported a strike. AIPAC
 
Yeah, I've heard that talking point before. It's never actually explained in real people logic, though. How does not blowing up Syria make us look weak? How weak will it supposedly make us look? What are "our enemies", whoever they are, suddenly going to do now that... they don't think we'll destroy their countries at the drop of a hat? Maybe we shouldn't have started that trend in the first place, and maybe it's the right thing to change the dynamic away from the big strong US dropping fire out of the sky and invading smaller, weaker nations. Nobody is going to think we're "weak". But maybe they'll start to think we're not crazy.

Ditch the childish talking points and actually offer some reasoned ideas.
Having Putin step in at this point is what is making us look weak.
Weak also is saying you are going to do something, then dont.
I dont support blowing up anyone, but Obama is for it. Kerry is for it. Dont blame me or anyone else on the right.
Obama opened his mouth, but cant back it up. Sure sign of weakness.
 
The way I see it, Putin saved Obama's bacon!:3oops:

:lol: Albeit unintended. In my amateur intelligence analysis, Putin's primary foreign policy doctrine is to do what he can to keep Russia relevant as a global power/influencer in the post Cold War era. Its about national pride and a longing to be as significant globally as America. What is of particular concern is not wanting American intervention in areas of the former Soviet bloc/Eastern Europe because of the insult to ego that creates since that was once part of their nation and to a lesser degree, the Middle East due it its strategic importance over oil.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia pretty much became a western style society. You'd think they'd be close allies with us but pride or as they might see it, humiliation are major factors. As I see it, the only reason Russia consistently positions itself as America's diplomatic opposition on the world stage is Vladimir Putin and his pride, wanting Russia to also be seen as a global "superpower."
 
Winner:putin
Losers:McCain.Graham,Pelosi,Reid,any member of congress who supported a strike. AIPAC

Well on this one.....the naïve can't just blame partisanship. Since Both sides of the Aisle have been for and have been against.

Sure Putin is.....as already the French has drawn up a resolution in the UN. Putin must have seen that it would require NATO troops to go in and secure, destroy and hold the Chems down. Now that Syria accepted.....the French and the West of course don't trust the Russians to supervise the removal and destruction of the Chems. So it will have to be NATO Forces.

Guess who makes up the bulk of those? Win Win is big time in Putins Corner. Plus to top it off it ruined the Rebel/Terrorists plans for a major offensive. Already the Rebels are whining and chriing that Assad will be able to still carry on and that by this agreement the West has validated that Assad is still the ruling government inside Syria and not the FSA and STNC.

Do you think those Neo Cons and Neo Libs got that part figured out yet? :lol:
 
Gawd I love the smell of Con spin in the morning!

We went from Putin and Obama getting ready to start WWIII over Syria with all the usual tired comparisons to how WWI started.
Have Cons wailing over the withdrawal of one each destroyer while Russia sent a cruiser in.
Had Cons falling all over themselves trying to call a limited missile strike 'war mongering'
Assad was promising regional conflagration if the missiles were launched...
Cons rending their garments over a limited missile strike making victory possible for Christian killing Sunni terrorists (instead of Shiite ones)...


Now instead of puffing up ready to fight us, Putin took the hint and has worked out removal of the chemical weapons
Assad must have breathed a HUGE sigh of relief and leaped across the room to accept this proposal.
President Obama accomplishes the mission without the help of Congress- quite a feat considering the Cons were doing everything they could to tell the world a missile strike wasn't going to happen! :mrgreen:

Cons have been brainwashed by the BushII- BushII would have the 82nd AB on the ground with thousands more on the way by now. Unlike BushII, Obama doesn't WANT to start a war and prance around like a snickering 'cowboy'.

But Cons are going to claim Obama lost- :lamo
 
Gawd I love the smell of Con spin in the morning!

We went from Putin and Obama getting ready to start WWIII over Syria with all the usual tired comparisons to how WWI started.
Have Cons wailing over the withdrawal of one each destroyer while Russia sent a cruiser in.
Had Cons falling all over themselves trying to call a limited missile strike 'war mongering'
Assad was promising regional conflagration if the missiles were launched...
Cons rending their garments over a limited missile strike making victory possible for Christian killing Sunni terrorists (instead of Shiite ones)...


Now instead of puffing up ready to fight us, Putin took the hint and has worked out removal of the chemical weapons
Assad must have breathed a HUGE sigh of relief and leaped across the room to accept this proposal.
President Obama accomplishes the mission without the help of Congress- quite a feat considering the Cons were doing everything they could to tell the world a missile strike wasn't going to happen! :mrgreen:

Cons have been brainwashed by the BushII- BushII would have the 82nd AB on the ground with thousands more on the way by now. Unlike BushII, Obama doesn't WANT to start a war and prance around like a snickering 'cowboy'.

But Cons are going to claim Obama lost- :lamo

I didn't say Obama "lost". It's impossible for him to ever really "lose"since he doesn't give a damn one way or another. Get the kneepads off.
 
I didn't say Obama "lost". It's impossible for him to ever really "lose"since he doesn't give a damn one way or another. Get the kneepads off.

No, But Obama did say he thinks he is going to lose with this Authorization. So don't worry.....not even the Multiplexed can spin it any other way.

Plus that part about who has to go in to get the Chems. Since it can't be the Russians. Puts that all into perspective. Even for the deluded. :lol:
 
Having Putin step in at this point is what is making us look weak.
Weak also is saying you are going to do something, then dont.
I dont support blowing up anyone, but Obama is for it. Kerry is for it. Dont blame me or anyone else on the right.
Obama opened his mouth, but cant back it up. Sure sign of weakness.

Yeah man, cooperating with other countries to avoid a war is weakness.
 
I didn't say Obama "lost". It's impossible for him to ever really "lose"since he doesn't give a damn one way or another. Get the kneepads off.

It ain't all about you sweet pea....

Oh President Obama won, he accomplished the mission even as the Cons fought him tooth and nail. Did it without a regionally destabilizing war and the loss of thousands of American troops and billions of dollars.

All the ranting and wailing the Cons did from WWIII to 'war mongering' are just empty partisan rhetoric.

I have no use for knee pads but could use a few wraps- my sides are splitting- laughing at the Con crap getting flushed.... :lamo
 
So not going to War is somehow bad now??? Obama looks weak now because he did not bomb a country. This county is getting sick and twisted. Did any of the neo-cons ever think that it was a good cop/ bad cop situation? Putin does not have the military power to strike, but the US does. Wow it not about looking like a hero it the best possible solution to a bad situation.
 
It ain't all about you sweet pea....

Oh President Obama won, he accomplished the mission even as the Cons fought him tooth and nail. Did it without a regionally destabilizing war and the loss of thousands of American troops and billions of dollars.

All the ranting and wailing the Cons did from WWIII to 'war mongering' are just empty partisan rhetoric.

I have no use for knee pads but could use a few wraps- my sides are splitting- laughing at the Con crap getting flushed.... :lamo
What were the "cons" wanting? Seems King Lib wanted to go to war to boost poll numbers. Got slapped down not by the "cons" but by the KGB.
 
So not going to War is somehow bad now??? Obama looks weak now because he did not bomb a country. This county is getting sick and twisted. Did any of the neo-cons ever think that it was a good cop/ bad cop situation? Putin does not have the military power to strike, but the US does. Wow it not about looking like a hero it the best possible solution to a bad situation.

No not quite.....Obama and the French looks weak as they pushed a military solution and not a Political one like Ban Ki Moon had stated all along. In Which all this time they have known the Rebel/ Terrorists had used Chems.

Also when you can explain what changed about knowing of the Chems from two years ago up til now, Ya might actually have some ground to stand on while Defending Your Lord and Master.

So truly it was a major lame excuse from the get go.
 
Everybody's going to spin this to make it look like their side won.

The fact is...if this gets chemical weapons off the table and unable to be used...everybody wins.

Exactly.
 
What were the "cons" wanting? Seems King Lib wanted to go to war to boost poll numbers. Got slapped down not by the "cons" but by the KGB.

That's the Con spin that makes me smile. President Obama, because a King would have just launched the missiles- to hell with poll numbers (you do realize he is in his second term), PRESIDENT Obama didn't say regime change or INVADE, he said the international community should send a strong message and he has a few dozen missiles that can do just that.

Putin, who had is attack dogs huffing and puffing over 'defending Syria' , has blinked and ducked away from a world power confrontation over Syria.

Assad rather than send the region into war has quickly agreed to the removal of the Chemical weapons.

Cons who wailed and rended their garments over 'war mongering' and steadfastly refused to support the President now have to replace those torn frocks as President Obama has accomplished the mission without a missile attack.

And a few right wingnuts who wailed over Sunni terrorists killing Christians can now wail away over ****te terrorists killing Christians....

All in all President Obama got what he wanted without having to use military force.... sort of a Teddy Roosevelt moment.... :2wave:
 
That's the Con spin that makes me smile. President Obama, because a King would have just launched the missiles- to hell with poll numbers (you do realize he is in his second term), PRESIDENT Obama didn't say regime change or INVADE, he said the international community should send a strong message and he has a few dozen missiles that can do just that.

Putin, who had is attack dogs huffing and puffing over 'defending Syria' , has blinked and ducked away from a world power confrontation over Syria.

Assad rather than send the region into war has quickly agreed to the removal of the Chemical weapons.

Cons who wailed and rended their garments over 'war mongering' and steadfastly refused to support the President now have to replace those torn frocks as President Obama has accomplished the mission without a missile attack.

And a few right wingnuts who wailed over Sunni terrorists killing Christians can now wail away over ****te terrorists killing Christians....

All in all President Obama got what he wanted without having to use military force.... sort of a Teddy Roosevelt moment.... :2wave:
I quit reading at "Putin blinked".
Obama has lost all credibility in the region. No one is scared of him any more.
 
What were the "cons" wanting? Seems King Lib wanted to go to war to boost poll numbers. Got slapped down not by the "cons" but by the KGB.

Heya Crue. :2wave: Well that's cuz the left was trying to ignore those Dems in the House that were against it. Plus like always they tend to forget those important things like facts.

Look at the USA Front Page NEWS HEADLINE......check some of the others. Obama backs off. Obama backtracks. Strike delayed Obama backs down.

So no matter how much the left wants to spin it.....their pals in the MS Media have given credit to where credit is due.

Btw here is some on that which the medicated cannot fathom. Uh Oh its Reuters. Guess they wont be able to complain about new sources. :roll:

U.S. Senate may not vote on Syria this week.....

The U.S. Senate may not vote this week on the authorization for the use of military force in Syria, congressional aides said on Tuesday after Syria's recent acceptance of a Russian proposal to give up its chemical weapons

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid on Monday abruptly backed off plans to schedule a test vote on Wednesday on a White House-backed resolution to authorize military strikes on Syria, but aides said then a vote was still likely later in the week.

But both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have expressed doubts and enthusiastically backed the idea of allowing at least a short window of time for the world to react to Russia's plan to put Syria's chemical weapons under international control.

Mitch McConnell, the top Republican in the Senate, said on Tuesday he would vote against the current resolution authorizing U.S. military force in Syria, a blow to chances of passing the measure.

The three other top congressional leaders - Reid, House Speaker John Boehner, and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi - declared their support for military action last week.

We are all working on the assumption that there will be no vote in either chamber in the near future, if at all," one senior Democratic House of Representatives aide said.

White House chief of staff Denis McDonough told Democratic members of the House on Tuesday that diplomacy, rather than military action, is the priority on Syria, U.S. Representative Gene Green told Reuters as he left the briefing.

Green, like many lawmakers, said he had been getting emails from constituents saying they wanted a diplomatic solution, and added, "That's what happening now."

Another Democratic lawmaker, Representative James Moran, noted the deep opposition among both Democrats and Republicans in the House to the resolution.

"I can't imagine we will have a House vote on this issue," Moran told reporters.....snip~

U.S. Senate may not vote on Syria this week | Reuters


Course one does have to take in account from where they hear what. Do you think the medicated needs more medication :lol:
 
Heya Crue. :2wave: Well that's cuz the left was trying to ignore those Dems in the House that were against it. Plus like always they tend to forget those important things like facts.

Look at the USA Front Page NEWS HEADLINE......check some of the others. Obama backs off. Obama backtracks. Strike delayed Obama backs down.

So no matter how much the left wants to spin it.....their pals in the MS Media have given credit to where credit is due.

Btw here is some on that which the medicated cannot fathom. Uh Oh its Reuters. Guess they wont be able to complain about new sources. :roll:

U.S. Senate may not vote on Syria this week.....

The U.S. Senate may not vote this week on the authorization for the use of military force in Syria, congressional aides said on Tuesday after Syria's recent acceptance of a Russian proposal to give up its chemical weapons

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid on Monday abruptly backed off plans to schedule a test vote on Wednesday on a White House-backed resolution to authorize military strikes on Syria, but aides said then a vote was still likely later in the week.

But both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have expressed doubts and enthusiastically backed the idea of allowing at least a short window of time for the world to react to Russia's plan to put Syria's chemical weapons under international control.

Mitch McConnell, the top Republican in the Senate, said on Tuesday he would vote against the current resolution authorizing U.S. military force in Syria, a blow to chances of passing the measure.

The three other top congressional leaders - Reid, House Speaker John Boehner, and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi - declared their support for military action last week.

We are all working on the assumption that there will be no vote in either chamber in the near future, if at all," one senior Democratic House of Representatives aide said.

White House chief of staff Denis McDonough told Democratic members of the House on Tuesday that diplomacy, rather than military action, is the priority on Syria, U.S. Representative Gene Green told Reuters as he left the briefing.

Green, like many lawmakers, said he had been getting emails from constituents saying they wanted a diplomatic solution, and added, "That's what happening now."

Another Democratic lawmaker, Representative James Moran, noted the deep opposition among both Democrats and Republicans in the House to the resolution.

"I can't imagine we will have a House vote on this issue," Moran told reporters.....snip~

U.S. Senate may not vote on Syria this week | Reuters


Course one does have to take in account from where they hear what. Do you think the medicated needs more medication :lol:
You mean the media is starting to wise up? Where is all the cover for him now?
 
You mean the media is starting to wise up? Where is all the cover for him now?

By going all Dirty Harry on them, Obama boxed them into a corner between defending the man that sparked tingles up their collective legs, to their ideological opposition against American Military use of force for any reason....

Ideology trumps man crushes.
 
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