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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Yeah, I've heard that talking point before. It's never actually explained in real people logic, though. How does not blowing up Syria make us look weak? How weak will it supposedly make us look? What are "our enemies", whoever they are, suddenly going to do now that... they don't think we'll destroy their countries at the drop of a hat? Maybe we shouldn't have started that trend in the first place, and maybe it's the right thing to change the dynamic away from the big strong US dropping fire out of the sky and invading smaller, weaker nations. Nobody is going to think we're "weak". But maybe they'll start to think we're not crazy.

    Ditch the childish talking points and actually offer some reasoned ideas.
    Having Putin step in at this point is what is making us look weak.
    Weak also is saying you are going to do something, then dont.
    I dont support blowing up anyone, but Obama is for it. Kerry is for it. Dont blame me or anyone else on the right.
    Obama opened his mouth, but cant back it up. Sure sign of weakness.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake McHugh View Post
    Damn. McCain and Graham look really stupid.
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizmo View Post
    The way I see it, Putin saved Obama's bacon!
    Albeit unintended. In my amateur intelligence analysis, Putin's primary foreign policy doctrine is to do what he can to keep Russia relevant as a global power/influencer in the post Cold War era. Its about national pride and a longing to be as significant globally as America. What is of particular concern is not wanting American intervention in areas of the former Soviet bloc/Eastern Europe because of the insult to ego that creates since that was once part of their nation and to a lesser degree, the Middle East due it its strategic importance over oil.

    Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia pretty much became a western style society. You'd think they'd be close allies with us but pride or as they might see it, humiliation are major factors. As I see it, the only reason Russia consistently positions itself as America's diplomatic opposition on the world stage is Vladimir Putin and his pride, wanting Russia to also be seen as a global "superpower."
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake McHugh View Post
    Winner:Putin
    Losers:McCain.Graham,Pelosi,Reid,any member of congress who supported a strike. AIPAC
    Well on this one.....the naïve can't just blame partisanship. Since Both sides of the Aisle have been for and have been against.

    Sure Putin is.....as already the French has drawn up a resolution in the UN. Putin must have seen that it would require NATO troops to go in and secure, destroy and hold the Chems down. Now that Syria accepted.....the French and the West of course don't trust the Russians to supervise the removal and destruction of the Chems. So it will have to be NATO Forces.

    Guess who makes up the bulk of those? Win Win is big time in Putins Corner. Plus to top it off it ruined the Rebel/Terrorists plans for a major offensive. Already the Rebels are whining and chriing that Assad will be able to still carry on and that by this agreement the West has validated that Assad is still the ruling government inside Syria and not the FSA and STNC.

    Do you think those Neo Cons and Neo Libs got that part figured out yet?

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Gawd I love the smell of Con spin in the morning!

    We went from Putin and Obama getting ready to start WWIII over Syria with all the usual tired comparisons to how WWI started.
    Have Cons wailing over the withdrawal of one each destroyer while Russia sent a cruiser in.
    Had Cons falling all over themselves trying to call a limited missile strike 'war mongering'
    Assad was promising regional conflagration if the missiles were launched...
    Cons rending their garments over a limited missile strike making victory possible for Christian killing Sunni terrorists (instead of Shiite ones)...


    Now instead of puffing up ready to fight us, Putin took the hint and has worked out removal of the chemical weapons
    Assad must have breathed a HUGE sigh of relief and leaped across the room to accept this proposal.
    President Obama accomplishes the mission without the help of Congress- quite a feat considering the Cons were doing everything they could to tell the world a missile strike wasn't going to happen!

    Cons have been brainwashed by the BushII- BushII would have the 82nd AB on the ground with thousands more on the way by now. Unlike BushII, Obama doesn't WANT to start a war and prance around like a snickering 'cowboy'.

    But Cons are going to claim Obama lost-

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Gawd I love the smell of Con spin in the morning!

    We went from Putin and Obama getting ready to start WWIII over Syria with all the usual tired comparisons to how WWI started.
    Have Cons wailing over the withdrawal of one each destroyer while Russia sent a cruiser in.
    Had Cons falling all over themselves trying to call a limited missile strike 'war mongering'
    Assad was promising regional conflagration if the missiles were launched...
    Cons rending their garments over a limited missile strike making victory possible for Christian killing Sunni terrorists (instead of Shiite ones)...


    Now instead of puffing up ready to fight us, Putin took the hint and has worked out removal of the chemical weapons
    Assad must have breathed a HUGE sigh of relief and leaped across the room to accept this proposal.
    President Obama accomplishes the mission without the help of Congress- quite a feat considering the Cons were doing everything they could to tell the world a missile strike wasn't going to happen!

    Cons have been brainwashed by the BushII- BushII would have the 82nd AB on the ground with thousands more on the way by now. Unlike BushII, Obama doesn't WANT to start a war and prance around like a snickering 'cowboy'.

    But Cons are going to claim Obama lost-
    I didn't say Obama "lost". It's impossible for him to ever really "lose"since he doesn't give a damn one way or another. Get the kneepads off.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake McHugh View Post
    I didn't say Obama "lost". It's impossible for him to ever really "lose"since he doesn't give a damn one way or another. Get the kneepads off.
    No, But Obama did say he thinks he is going to lose with this Authorization. So don't worry.....not even the Multiplexed can spin it any other way.

    Plus that part about who has to go in to get the Chems. Since it can't be the Russians. Puts that all into perspective. Even for the deluded.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Having Putin step in at this point is what is making us look weak.
    Weak also is saying you are going to do something, then dont.
    I dont support blowing up anyone, but Obama is for it. Kerry is for it. Dont blame me or anyone else on the right.
    Obama opened his mouth, but cant back it up. Sure sign of weakness.
    Yeah man, cooperating with other countries to avoid a war is weakness.
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake McHugh View Post
    I didn't say Obama "lost". It's impossible for him to ever really "lose"since he doesn't give a damn one way or another. Get the kneepads off.
    It ain't all about you sweet pea....

    Oh President Obama won, he accomplished the mission even as the Cons fought him tooth and nail. Did it without a regionally destabilizing war and the loss of thousands of American troops and billions of dollars.

    All the ranting and wailing the Cons did from WWIII to 'war mongering' are just empty partisan rhetoric.

    I have no use for knee pads but could use a few wraps- my sides are splitting- laughing at the Con crap getting flushed....

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Yeah man, cooperating with other countries to avoid a war is weakness.
    Then dont shoot your mouth off about military action.

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