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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I don't see how Mags.....
    Here's a possible scenario of how the White House could gain credit if the framework proves successful (a big "if" and robust verification would be required):

    The White House could argue that no such outcome was possible until the U.S. threatened to use force. With the U.S. threatening to use force, that provided the kind of leverage that had been missing. Faced with the possible threat and perhaps concluding that the outcome could cause it to lose its battlefield advantage (air power and missile systems), the regime decided to trade off its chemical weapons to minimize the damage to its battlefield prospects. Thus, the U.S. goal of eliminating chemical weapons use in Syria was achieved.

    That the U.S. tactics were remarkably sloppy, that the President had essentially created his own dilemma with his "red line" that ran beyond international norms, and that the rebels would likely still possess some unknown quantities of chemical weapons would be largely irrelevant. The White House would focus on the goal that was achieved and it would be sufficiently large that it would be viewed as a success. Of course, the White House's messaging could be poor, as it has been on numerous Mideast issues, so its public relations effort could fall flat.

    For now, it's too soon to know whether the Russian initiative will succeed. Much work will be required and full implementation will almost certainly take more than a week. Will the U.S. have patience? Will there be a set time beyond which the U.S. would conclude whether or not the framework had a good chance of success? There are many uncertainties.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Here's a possible scenario of how the White House could gain credit if the framework proves successful (a big "if" and robust verification would be required):

    The White House could argue that no such outcome was possible until the U.S. threatened to use force. With the U.S. threatening to use force, that provided the kind of leverage that had been missing. Faced with the possible threat and perhaps concluding that the outcome could cause it to lose its battlefield advantage (air power and missile systems), the regime decided to trade off its chemical weapons to minimize the damage to its battlefield prospects. Thus, the U.S. goal of eliminating chemical weapons use in Syria was achieved.

    That the U.S. tactics were remarkably sloppy, that the President had essentially created his own dilemma with his "red line" that ran beyond international norms, and that the rebels would likely still possess some unknown quantities of chemical weapons would be largely irrelevant. The White House would focus on the goal that was achieved and it would be sufficiently large that it would be viewed as a success. Of course, the White House's messaging could be poor, as it has been on numerous Mideast issues, so its public relations effort could fall flat.

    For now, it's too soon to know whether the Russian initiative will succeed. Much work will be required and full implementation will almost certainly take more than a week. Will the U.S. have patience? Will there be a set time beyond which the U.S. would conclude whether or not the framework had a good chance of success? There are many uncertainties.
    Mornin DS Yes.....like I stated. It will certainly entail Boots on the Ground to stockpile and destroy those Chems. NATO troops too. Look who makes up the bulk of that.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Coming on the heels that WH aides are indicating that Obama wants to strike Syria because it will be "politically crippling" if they don't, Sec State John Kerry screwed the Administration by leaving an opening in the attack narrative. Russia pounced.....

    Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons - CNN.com
    VOILA!!! Case closed, handled DIPLOMATICALLY and without direct military intervention. Any questions???

    P.S. AARGHHH! You beat me to it. LOL I was going to post this as soon as I saw it. Good job.
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Now the problem of actually doing it. First, it'll take weeks if not months to get the UN involved, develop a plan, vote on the plan and get UN troops assembled and ready to go into Syria. Second, how do they secure something Assad has previously claimed didn't exist and may be spread out in multiple areas in a country with an active civil war? Third, how can the U.S. "verify" such a plan by Moscow and Syria when we know that neither has any motive to help the U.S.? And lastly, how can we verify this isn't just a ruse to delay military action (e.g., "rope a dope") in the region to give more time to Syria, make our President look bad (which I think has already been done partly by Obama and partly now by Putin) while making Russia look like the adult / peace negotiator?

    I'm not so quick to say "case closed"; in fact it's pretty far from being closed in my view.
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin DS Yes.....like I stated. It will certainly entail Boots on the Ground to stockpile and destroy those Chems. NATO troops too. Look who makes up the bulk of that.
    It would, unless Russia is willing to do the proverbial heavy lifting with international observers verifying compliance. It would be a difficult and complicated exercise even if the President Assad agrees to whatever terms are devised.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Damn. McCain and Graham look really stupid.

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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Go Putin!
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Apparently the Syrian's agreed to the Russian proposal.

    Syrian Foreign Minister : the initiative of the Russian Federation on chemical weapons should prevent U.S. plans
    The Syrian leadership is taking this initiative, came from the belief in the desire of the Russian side to prevent the war, said Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem.

    MOSCOW, Sept. 10 - RIA Novosti: International control of chemical weapons in Syria must "cut the ground from under the feet of US", which are preparing an aggression against Syria, said Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem during a meeting with the speaker of the State Duma Sergei Naryshkin.

    "We agreed with the Russian initiative, based on the fact that she has to cut the ground from under the feet of the U.S. aggression against our country" - said Muallem.

    He noted that the Syrian leadership is taking this initiative, came from the belief in the desire of the Russian side to prevent the war. He also noted that the position of those who seek peace achieves a much stronger position than those who want war. He called the talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as productive.
    According to him, the failure of U.S. congressmen to meet with the Russian delegation to discuss the situation in Syria shows the weakness of their position.

    Naryshkin said that the Russian proposal to put under international control of chemical weapons which is available on the territory of Syria and the Syrian government's consent - is "affirmative action and, of course, it makes the opposing parties to go towards us" He noted that Russia opposed any military operation involving foreign troops in Syria that bypasses the UN. Also Russia, he said, has always been and remains a consistent supporter of compliance with international law.

    The White House has accused Syrian President Bashar al-Assad of the use of chemical weapons against the opposition and civilians near Damascus on August 21. U.S. President Barack Obama said he made the decision to start a military operation in Syria without the sanction of the UN Security Council, but has requested the approval of Congress.

    Syrian authorities deny allegations of weapons of mass destruction. Russia on Monday offered to send chemical weapons in Syria under international control - this proposal was supported by the Syrian authorities and the opposition initiative called unacceptable. Washington has expressed interest in the Russian proposal.



    Used Google translate, with minor alterations by moi to make it actually readable.
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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake McHugh View Post
    Damn. McCain and Graham look really stupid.



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    re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I have no idea why there is such a fixation on the US "not looking weak" as a result of this thing in Syria. And apparently that has to do with whether or not we bomb them. What a weird idea. Does anyone really think that Canada is going to invade us and think is easy pickings? Is the world going to suddenly forget our massive stock of nuclear weapons and the fact that we are the only country that has ever used them? It's seriously a problem if we do something that Russia thought was a good idea before we did? What kind of madness is going on here?
    The weaker we look, the more it emboldens our enemies.

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