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    Re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That is clearly false. Yes, i pointed to that confusion in your previous post. DOD spending practices were not being discussed. However here's just a couple of quotes from a celebrated American leftist.
    IF it is clearly false do more than just say so...

    No confusion, just not buying the CONtorted view of history a few on the radical right hold.

    YOU brought up the 'hate the military' crap... An over weight, over priced, artillery piece gets cancelled and Sen Inhofe wails Obama is gutting the military.

    Now you give the perfect example of CONtorted history. Someone points out grunts are not choir boys and don't try and deny grunts collected ears in Vietnam or American soldiers violated the customs of Muslim women in their oh dark 30 door kicking and the rabid right screams you hate the military.

    Fact is war is a dirty business and guerrilla war is the rat bastard of dirty.

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    Re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    IF it is clearly false do more than just say so...
    It was so silly an explanation didn't seem necessary. You said "And your right wing partisanship keeps you from seeing it was the AMERICAN CITIZEN who refused to back ANY military actions for decades. Didn't matter the political lean... Vietnam spoiled the American Invincibility myth. I seem to recall the Cons being against Bosnia and missile strikes during the Clinton years".

    It was 'the American citizen' who also supported their country and troops for decades. It was the Leftists who tore down their country's credibility, the military and their leadership. The United States could have easily won in Vietnam but the Leftists, and Leftist propaganda, made that impossible. Thus millions more people in that area had to die.
    No confusion, just not buying the CONtorted view of history a few on the radical right hold.
    I really don't care what you buy, you obviously have remained uninformed for quite a long while.

    YOU brought up the 'hate the military' crap... An over weight, over priced, artillery piece gets cancelled and Sen Inhofe wails Obama is gutting the military.
    I never mentioned Sen Inhofe. I quoted John Kerry. Perhaps you can see now how easily confused Leftists really are.

    Now you give the perfect example of CONtorted history. Someone points out grunts are not choir boys and don't try and deny grunts collected ears in Vietnam or American soldiers violated the customs of Muslim women in their oh dark 30 door kicking and the rabid right screams you hate the military.
    An ambitious John Kerry, sensing a political opportunity, rubbished the US Forces and the goofy leftists bought into it. There was no evidence that anything Kerry said was true, and there never has been. John Kerry is a liar, as well as an incompetent, and can only be supported by those who park their brains outside the polling stations.

    Again, no one mentioned "choir boys" either.

    Fact is war is a dirty business and guerrilla war is the rat bastard of dirty.
    Yes, war is Hell. So I've heard. It must also be Hell fighting for a country where leftists only scream abuse at their leadership while those who would murder Americans largely get a pass.

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    Re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It was so silly an explanation didn't seem necessary. You said "And your right wing partisanship keeps you from seeing it was the AMERICAN CITIZEN who refused to back ANY military actions for decades. Didn't matter the political lean... Vietnam spoiled the American Invincibility myth. I seem to recall the Cons being against Bosnia and missile strikes during the Clinton years". It was 'the American citizen' who also supported their country and troops for decades. It was the Leftists who tore down their country's credibility, the military and their leadership. The United States could have easily won in Vietnam but the Leftists, and Leftist propaganda, made that impossible. Thus millions more people in that area had to die.
    I really don't care what you buy, you obviously have remained uninformed for quite a long while. I never mentioned Sen Inhofe. I quoted John Kerry. Perhaps you can see now how easily confused Leftists really are. An ambitious John Kerry, sensing a political opportunity, rubbished the US Forces and the goofy leftists bought into it. There was no evidence that anything Kerry said was true, and there never has been. John Kerry is a liar, as well as an incompetent, and can only be supported by those who park their brains outside the polling stations. Again, no one mentioned "choir boys" either. Yes, war is Hell. So I've heard. It must also be Hell fighting for a country where leftists only scream abuse at their leadership while those who would murder Americans largely get a pass.
    Supported the troops and country isn't a rightie thing. But the USofA citizen damn sure didn't want anymore endless wars. The American citizen turned away from the myth that we can defeat anyone anywhere at any time. The Cons can keep on believing the Vietnam war could have been won, but the best result was as it always was til we pulled out, the US Grunt controlled the ground he stood on and we could never put enough grunts in to stand on every square foot. Look how many times the British beat Washington, but the rebels just outlasted the Brits and the British people grew tired of the endless war.

    More Con quibble- you bring up the lefties hate the military but in fact it is more a case of anyone question an expense the DoD has and they are knee jerk attacked as hating the military. I bring up Sen, Inhofe because he is a classic right wing ranter. The Crusader program was put on hold by Rumsfeld but finally cancelled by the Obama Administration. Inhofe attacked Obama as 'gutting the military' when the 43 ton SP piece was too heavy and not accurate enough.

    But of course you don't want to talk about Cons ranting, you want to stay on Kerry who did actually go over. You quibble some more, Kerry didn't lie, Cons just don't like hearing the truth. You use the typical Con dodge- anyone pointing out we have done bad things is said to be 'hating' when it is a very small counterpoint to the HUGE rant fest the right uses. But of course you don't want to see it that way... to you patriotism is unquestioning slurping of the right wing rhetoric machine.

    Face it, Cons are only against military action the Dems propose. I seem to recall the Cons going along with BushI's vague Somalia mission and of course Reagan's folly in Lebanon where 241 Americans died in a suicide bomber attack.

    I guess you never served. I did back when ever the average 'silent majority' Citizen saw the war was never going to end, and the reasons for sacrificing so many young men just didn't seem worth it. The BushII neo-cons claimed they found the 'key' to beating Vietnam in Afghanistan but must have misplaced it almost as quickly. Now we will live with the 'Iraqi Syndrome' for awhile.

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    Re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Cons can keep repeating that until the cows come home but it ain't flying. Unlike BushII in Iraq, Obama listens to the other nations and folks at home.

    But lets review. Russia blinked, Assad grasped, Obama is getting work done without sending thousands of Americans to their deaths.

    I understand Cons are loath to see this anyway but the way they want to spin it. but the bottom line is even with no help from congress or Europe Obama is removing chemical weapons from the civil war.

    Cons were so sure this was the start of WWIII

    Cons were so sure this would help Sunni terrorists they refuse to see the Shiite terrorists on Assad's side.

    Cons were calling planned limited missile strikes either 'war mongering' OR wussy 'face saving'

    Cons want to say Obama wants a war to boost his poll numbers when he can't run again.

    So it seems to me the Con POV has been so wrong, so long it is a wonder some continue to beat this horse.

    What legacy the Cons have left this country is a deep fear of any military action in the world. We want fast clean wars. We got a hot mess with thousands of dead Americans a huge drain on our finances that gained us nothing and an Administration so focused on Iraq they refused to see the economy starting to collapse. Iraq exposed us as having a huge military that was so top heavy it couldn't sustain an operation that lasts longer than a woman's hair style.

    A President well on his way to forcing a dictator to abandon a chemical weapon while fighting for his life WITHOUT killing thousands of American Soldiers...

    That is a WIN

    But do keep trying to force everything into the 'it's just like' mold.
    keep drinking that kool aid. Obumbler is being played, so are you...
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    Re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    keep drinking that kool aid. Obumbler is being played, so are you...
    More Contorted delusions???

    Just a few days ago the Cons were making references to WWI and now.
    Just a few days ago Cons were saying Putin would fight us.
    Just a few days ago Cons claimed Assad would launch a regional war rather than give in.

    If I'm drinking kool aid Cons are drinking hard liquor...

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    Re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    "Big Eddie " Schultz is knocking it out of the park right now. Repubs are listening to their constituents? What a joke. How about 91% of Americans supporting Toomey/Manchin? Their list of ignoring public opinion is endless. They are treasonous saboteurs and have taken it to the worst level with Syria.
    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    More Contorted delusions???

    Just a few days ago the Cons were making references to WWI and now.
    Just a few days ago Cons were saying Putin would fight us.
    Just a few days ago Cons claimed Assad would launch a regional war rather than give in.

    If I'm drinking kool aid Cons are drinking hard liquor...

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    Re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    More Contorted delusions???

    Just a few days ago the Cons were making references to WWI and now.
    Just a few days ago Cons were saying Putin would fight us.
    Just a few days ago Cons claimed Assad would launch a regional war rather than give in.

    If I'm drinking kool aid Cons are drinking hard liquor...
    Days ago, shmays ago. Hell, days ago chairman O was ready to rain down hellfire..today? Not so much..his daddy, Putin told him to settle down, and like good weakling he complied...
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    Re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Days ago, shmays ago. Hell, days ago chairman O was ready to rain down hellfire..today? Not so much..his daddy, Putin told him to settle down, and like good weakling he complied...
    Heya JMac. I thought he was playing, like a Good Neighbor.....But telling us State-Farm was there.

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    Re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Days ago, shmays ago. Hell, days ago chairman O was ready to rain down hellfire..today? Not so much..his daddy, Putin told him to settle down, and like good weakling he complied...
    LMAO, ok now I know it is the hard liquor!

    Cons in here were so wrong on so much that the only thing some can do now is pretend the past doesn't matter.

    I can tell when Cons are desperate- they use increasing shrill terms for our democratically elected President. Fact is President Obama prepared to use missiles. Russia tried to sound all tough in 'defense' of Syria. Obama moves a Carrier battle Group closer and suddenly Putin is Monty Hall and it's time to play 'Let's Make a Deal'!

    It seems as if the Cons are sad there won't be a missile strike. Sounds like the Neo-Cons of Iraq. Only military force is strength.

    Forgot, one more Contortion- one group of Cons calls a limited missile strike Hellfire and another a meaningless face saving strike... kinda like the way off Con who claimed it was the start of WWIII just like WWI....

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    Re: Syria 'welcomes' proposal to hand over control of chemical weapons [W:122]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    LMAO, ok now I know it is the hard liquor!

    Cons in here were so wrong on so much that the only thing some can do now is pretend the past doesn't matter.

    I can tell when Cons are desperate- they use increasing shrill terms for our democratically elected President. Fact is President Obama prepared to use missiles. Russia tried to sound all tough in 'defense' of Syria. Obama moves a Carrier battle Group closer and suddenly Putin is Monty Hall and it's time to play 'Let's Make a Deal'!

    It seems as if the Cons are sad there won't be a missile strike. Sounds like the Neo-Cons of Iraq. Only military force is strength.
    Wow, your analysis of how this unfolded is truly astounding and about what I would expect from a true believer...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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