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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    Wouldn't it be so anti-climatic if Assad was like "Yeah, sure here ya go" and then everyone just left it at that?
    You meant to say, wouldn't it be nice if president Assad agreed to that and another foolish war was avoided, right?

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

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    His Secretary of State, Kerry, put a wrench in the whole process with his stupid remarks today. There is no way that congress will vote for the motion now and no way that anyone else in the international community will join in.

    I can't remember a time when American foreign policy was so poorly handled.
    Are you as critical of Canadian foreign policy? Anyway, what was stupid about Kerry's remarks today?

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If Assad says yes, it will be years before inspectors actually get organized, get in, etc. and who's to say all the chemical weapons will be rounded up. But if he does say yes, how can Obama and the US then attack? Assad can take the time to try and destroy all opposition.

    CJ! He's fighting his own war on terror, are you really not aware of the atrocities that the Islamic extremist (nice word rebels) are committing in Syria? Assad is willing to surrender his chemical weapons to the international community. It's not in his best interest to use them anyway, and he can smash the terrorists in his country if the rest of us would but out.

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are you as critical of Canadian foreign policy? Anyway, what was stupid about Kerry's remarks today?
    Actually, I am - I'm disappointed that the Canadian government is supportive of Obama and Kerry in Syria, but I understand why - another case of Canada being a good friend even when that friend acts rashly - I'm also disappointed that the Canadian government still supports the UN, the most useless body known to man. There are other issues, but not relevant to this thread.
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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    CJ! He's fighting his own war on terror, are you really not aware of the atrocities that the Islamic extremist (nice word rebels) are committing in Syria? Assad is willing to surrender his chemical weapons to the international community. It's not in his best interest to use them anyway, and he can smash the terrorists in his country if the rest of us would but out.
    I don't disagree with that - since Obama's inattention and ignoring of the situation almost 3 years ago, Syria has devolved into a civil war with many players on many sides. It's the main reason why I oppose international intervention now. But make no mistake, Assad deserves what he's facing since it was his brutal attempts to stop internal voices of reform that caused the extremists to enter Syria and take up the cause. Assad is not a sympathetic figure here, no matter how much you try to make him so.
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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    But make no mistake, Assad deserves what he's facing...
    What do the rebels deserve?

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't disagree with that - since Obama's inattention and ignoring of the situation almost 3 years ago, Syria has devolved into a civil war with many players on many sides. It's the main reason why I oppose international intervention now. But make no mistake, Assad deserves what he's facing since it was his brutal attempts to stop internal voices of reform that caused the extremists to enter Syria and take up the cause. Assad is not a sympathetic figure here, no matter how much you try to make him so.
    It's not that I'm making president Assad a sympathetic figure. I don't deny that Syria wasn't run like Canada or France. But it would seem that you deny that he has, according to NATO 70% support of his people. (I think Obama has 40% right now. ) as has been pointed out by other posters here multiple times, those people over there don't respond to democracy quite the way that westerners do and they are much more use to autocratic rule. Did you hear a lot of news coming out of Syria before this civil war. Anyway, those types of leaders over there of course are never going to tolerate protests for reform, and when it's tried in countries like Bahrain where we're not interested in "regime change" we stay the hell out of the way and let them smash it down. Saudi Arabia could use its share of reform if you wish to hold ME countries to western standards, but do you think for one minute that the US would be supporting all these same players were they over there doing the same thing? This crap is NOT about humanitarian rescue, its about "US interests" under the guise of humanitarian aid. So I ain't listened to this ****. And you need only look around the region where the US has "intervened" and not in one single case are things better. Is there a week goes by that you don't hear of car bombs somewhere in Iraq? That wasn't going on there when Saddam Hussein was in power.

    Here's the deal, if its not too late it could be close to it for Syria. The nasty people the US is supporting will keep that country in chaos and dysfunction that it NEVER saw under president Assad. And if it goes that way, I won't be one of the ones to share any of the blame. I am sick and disgusted with US intervention in that region, sick and tired of those people over there dying to our drone attacks and outright bombings and I will never support our "missions" there, ever! Understand?

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    What do the rebels deserve?
    Cupcakes with sprinkles on top I'm sure.

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    What do the rebels deserve?
    If you're talking about the original rebels, the young people and reformers who took to the streets almost 3 years ago to protest the Assad regime and to march for greater democratic and civil liberties, they deserve much better than either Assad or the world gave them. Unfortunately for them, their window of opportunity closed with western inaction and they are now lost in the battle for control of Syria. Their time may come again in the future, but it's no longer their time now.
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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's not that I'm making president Assad a sympathetic figure. I don't deny that Syria wasn't run like Canada or France. But it would seem that you deny that he has, according to NATO 70% support of his people. (I think Obama has 40% right now. ) as has been pointed out by other posters here multiple times, those people over there don't respond to democracy quite the way that westerners do and they are much more use to autocratic rule. Did you hear a lot of news coming out of Syria before this civil war. Anyway, those types of leaders over there of course are never going to tolerate protests for reform, and when it's tried in countries like Bahrain where we're not interested in "regime change" we stay the hell out of the way and let them smash it down. Saudi Arabia could use its share of reform if you wish to hold ME countries to western standards, but do you think for one minute that the US would be supporting all these same players were they over there doing the same thing? This crap is NOT about humanitarian rescue, its about "US interests" under the guise of humanitarian aid. So I ain't listened to this ****. And you need only look around the region where the US has "intervened" and not in one single case are things better. Is there a week goes by that you don't hear of car bombs somewhere in Iraq? That wasn't going on there when Saddam Hussein was in power.

    Here's the deal, if its not too late it could be close to it for Syria. The nasty people the US is supporting will keep that country in chaos and dysfunction that it NEVER saw under president Assad. And if it goes that way, I won't be one of the ones to share any of the blame. I am sick and disgusted with US intervention in that region, sick and tired of those people over there dying to our drone attacks and outright bombings and I will never support our "missions" there, ever! Understand?
    Not sure why your anger is addressed at me nor why you're lecturing me. In any event, our discussion has run its course - take care and have fun.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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