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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    It'll be interesting to how things play out if the UN turns up good evidence suggesting the rebels are responsible.
    Now that would be nuts.

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't hold the UN in the same esteem you do, but my guess is that the UN inspectors will report that yes, Sarin gas was indeed used.... period. I don't believe the UN will make any report about which side may have used them, because that would force the UN itself to take a "side", thereby ticking off somebody they don't want to tick off.
    In a perfect world UN leaders wouldn't care if objective facts upset someone. I don't hold the UN to a high esteem. I just like it on paper.

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    In a perfect world UN leaders wouldn't care if objective facts upset someone. I don't hold the UN to a high esteem. I just like it on paper.
    It's not a perfect world, and the UN "on paper" does not exist in reality. But I admire your optimism!

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I don't hold the UN in the same esteem you do, but my guess is that the UN inspectors will report that yes, Sarin gas was indeed used.... period. I don't believe the UN will make any report about which side may have used them, because that would force the UN itself to take a "side", thereby ticking off somebody they don't want to tick off.
    That is ridiculous. If the UN conducts their investigation, compiles their report and presents it to the members, why does it require them to take a side? The evidence will be what it will be. They don't choose sides. Unless your accusing them of manipulating facts.

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    In a perfect world UN leaders wouldn't care if objective facts upset someone. I don't hold the UN to a high esteem. I just like it on paper.

    Even in a less than perfect world.

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That is ridiculous. If the UN conducts their investigation, compiles their report and presents it to the members, why does it require them to take a side? The evidence will be what it will be. They don't choose sides. Unless your accusing them of manipulating facts.
    The UN inspectors were not sent to determine who used what, only to determine what was used. They are investigating three separate possible chemical weapons attacks over the last 6 months, and I expect to see 3 answers stating what was used with soil and tissue samples.

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The UN inspectors were not sent to determine who used what, only to determine what was used. They are investigating three separate possible chemical weapons attacks over the last 6 months, and I expect to see 3 answers stating what was used with soil and tissue samples.

    I wasn't arguing against that. I'm saying I accept that the UN will compile their report and deliver it to the assembly and it will be what it will be, not fixed around an ideology.

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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    It's not just critics that find contradictions in Obama and his administration's Syria position. Those who support the President or some level of intervention also find contradictions and haven't a clue what the end game is here. Even those in the administration itself seem to be uncertain what the position and goals are.

    A lack of clear, principled, leadership leaves such a vacuum.
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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    The UN could be a wonderful organization if they were above petty politics. I'm sure the white house is already looking for ways to spin any results from the inspectors that conflicts with their interests.
    Or it is possible that they ignore the report entirely. Look at what happened in Syria to the Arab League Report and how it was completely ignored.
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    Re: Critics see contradictions in Obama administration's Syria claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    It won't be effective long term either. I'm anticipating hearing what the UN inspectors have to say.
    Pfft. It may satisfy the world, but the UN inspectors know nothing. They know what they're shown when they're shown it. Intelligence gathered surreptitiously is a hell of a lot more reliable than UN inspectors being chauffeured around the country by governmental agents.

    The fact that we've learned our intelligence can be 100% wrong is the problem. (Iraq has WMDs.) The fact that it makes little logical sense for the Syrian government to attack its own people in the face of obvious world condemnation is the problem. The fact that our "war machine" is being drawn down and we don't trust our government to not want to start mobilizing again is the problem.
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