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    Re: Activists: Syrian Rebels take Christian Village

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Assad is no different from Sadaam or Mubarak in that they all rule/ruled with an iron fist from a minority base without religious basis in a secular manner and protected religious minorities within their borders provided those religious minorities did not disrupt the regime or target others. It is why America was able to support such terrible people at various times throughout the last half-century and why there's trouble in their countries when America abandons support for them. Without the savage dictator holding down the religious zealots, all hell is breaking loose in these countries as the fanatics slaughter each other in the name of a loving, peaceful god.

    For this reason, if for no other, America should keep it's military as far away as possible while they fight it out amongst themselves - you will get no credit for intervening and you will get all of the blame for anything that goes wrong.
    I agree with your assessment essentially, with one caveat, regime change has been a coveted end to the Assad government by many in Washington for two decades or more. Capitalising on the "Arab Spring" and encouraging and facilitating an insurgency in Syria seems to be the opportunity to make that move.

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    Re: Activists: Syrian Rebels take Christian Village

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    He's also trying to fight back against islamic terrorists trying to remove him from power. Context, it's important. Furthermore he didn't order the attack.

    Right. He's fighting his own war on terror and the US is interfering with it. This is something Assad and Putin have been clearly expressing for some time, but you have to read it in AP reports and foreign press. American press is often owned outright or in part by defence contractors that have everything to gain by another US military engagement.

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    Re: Activists: Syrian Rebels take Christian Village

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I agree with your assessment essentially, with one caveat, regime change has been a coveted end to the Assad government by many in Washington for two decades or more. Capitalising on the "Arab Spring" and encouraging and facilitating an insurgency in Syria seems to be the opportunity to make that move.
    Syria has no interest in destabilizing their neighbors or the neighborhood and never has - the US would be better served had it coveted the end of the Ayatollah's rule in Iran during the past two decades and taken advantage of their "Persian Spring" about 3-4 years ago when it was ripe for the picking, but Obama still wanted to have a fireside chat with the chaps because he's so persuasive, doh.
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    Re: Activists: Syrian Rebels take Christian Village

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    He's also trying to fight back against islamic terrorists trying to remove him from power. Context, it's important. Furthermore he didn't order the attack.
    There's been something said about truth being the first casualty of war, also the Fog of War, etc. Unless the issues are quite straightforward getting involved in Syria, and the Mid East, should be avoided. In fact that goes for much of the world.

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    Re: Activists: Syrian Rebels take Christian Village

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Syria has no interest in destabilizing their neighbors or the neighborhood and never has - the US would be better served had it coveted the end of the Ayatollah's rule in Iran during the past two decades and taken advantage of their "Persian Spring" about 3-4 years ago when it was ripe for the picking, but Obama still wanted to have a fireside chat with the chaps because he's so persuasive, doh.
    But I've never said Syria was interested in destabilising its neighbours or the region, that's a US interest as outlined in another thread by our very own General Wesley Clark and Paul Wolfowitz, and a group known as PNAC (Project for a New American Century). As for Iran, that's no more a problem than Syria is. Americas biggest threat and problems are domestic in nature. We have very big cities going bankrupt and........well I don't need to get into that list anyway here.

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    Re: Activists: Syrian Rebels take Christian Village

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Assad is no different from Sadaam or Mubarak in that they all rule/ruled with an iron fist from a minority base without religious basis in a secular manner and protected religious minorities within their borders provided those religious minorities did not disrupt the regime or target others. It is why America was able to support such terrible people at various times throughout the last half-century and why there's trouble in their countries when America abandons support for them. Without the savage dictator holding down the religious zealots, all hell is breaking loose in these countries as the fanatics slaughter each other in the name of a loving, peaceful god.

    For this reason, if for no other, America should keep it's military as far away as possible while they fight it out amongst themselves - you will get no credit for intervening and you will get all of the blame for anything that goes wrong.
    Good evening, CJ!

    : I don't understand those who feel we need to get involved. While I understand that when you make threats, you should be able to back them up, but nobody on this planet thinks that the US couldn't turn Syria into a sea of glass if we so chose to do so! We look like bullies picking on a weak kid, and that is no way to handle this problem, IMO. : No wonder our allies are not behind us this time!

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    Re: Activists: Syrian Rebels take Christian Village

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Assad is no different from Sadaam or Mubarak in that they all rule/ruled with an iron fist from a minority base without religious basis in a secular manner and protected religious minorities within their borders provided those religious minorities did not disrupt the regime or target others. It is why America was able to support such terrible people at various times throughout the last half-century and why there's trouble in their countries when America abandons support for them. Without the savage dictator holding down the religious zealots, all hell is breaking loose in these countries as the fanatics slaughter each other in the name of a loving, peaceful god.

    For this reason, if for no other, America should keep it's military as far away as possible while they fight it out amongst themselves - you will get no credit for intervening and you will get all of the blame for anything that goes wrong.
    What you've described is exactly what we saw in the Balkans with the collapse of the Soviet Union.

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    Re: Activists: Syrian Rebels take Christian Village

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As for Iran, that's no more a problem than Syria is.
    Not true, in my view - Iran has been trying to destablize the entire middle east for decades and its quds force is active in many countries outside Iran causing problems. Syria has never been active outside its borders on that level.
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    Re: Activists: Syrian Rebels take Christian Village

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    Hey, I've got an idea. Why don't we take our army and help those guys. Jesus, what have we become?
    Are you asking Jesus to be your commanding General?
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    Re: Activists: Syrian Rebels take Christian Village

    I say we invade. There are so many places that we can invade and so little time. We should initiate the draft as well...
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