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US plans for '3 days of attack' on Syria

Infrastructure... not people..

Right, because those bombs would never hurt any people right? :roll:

And let's assume for a silly moment that the bombs don't hurt people. You are hurting Assads infrastructure, thus giving support to people (that you even admitted) don't know how deep their ties are to Al-Qaeda at the moment.

This whole plan is ill thought out and I for one hope it's crushed. The U.S. should not in ANYWAY shape or form be helping a group that has ANY ties to Al-Qaeda. I'm not saying we should help Assad either, I'm saying we should stay out of it.
 
Right, because those bombs would never hurt any people right? :roll:

And let's assume for a silly moment that the bombs don't hurt people. You are hurting Assads infrastructure, thus giving support to people (that you even admitted) don't know how deep their ties are to Al-Qaeda at the moment.

This whole plan is ill thought out and I for one hope it's crushed. The U.S. should not in ANYWAY shape or form be helping a group that has ANY ties to Al-Qaeda. I'm not saying we should help Assad either, I'm saying we should stay out of it.

Yes.. some people would die, but there were no plans to bomb congested cities.

Putin seems to have stepped up at this point.. so its moot.

I lived in the ME for many, many years and I know the intelligence is unreliable.
 
Yes.. some people would die, but there were no plans to bomb congested cities.

Putin seems to have stepped up at this point.. so its moot.

I lived in the ME for many, many years and I know the intelligence is unreliable.

Yes, the intelligence is unreliable on BOTH sides which is why the U.S. should not be supporting ANY side. And if a bomb kills someone, that is on the U.S. hands especially if it is supporting one side or the other. I don't want the U.s. supporting a group with ANY ties to Al-Qaeda, do you? And if we can't say for sure one way or another, why should we support one side or the other without knowing?
 
Yes, the intelligence is unreliable on BOTH sides which is why the U.S. should not be supporting ANY side. And if a bomb kills someone, that is on the U.S. hands especially if it is supporting one side or the other. I don't want the U.s. supporting a group with ANY ties to Al-Qaeda, do you? And if we can't say for sure one way or another, why should we support one side or the other without knowing?

The problem with Syria is their support of Iran and Hamas.. and the resulting threats to Saudi Arabia and the Al Houthi in northern Yemen.. The Gulf States want the killing to stop.
 
The problem with Syria is their support of Iran and Hamas.. and the resulting threats to Saudi Arabia and the Al Houthi in northern Yemen.. The Gulf States want the killing to stop.

And you can show as fact that the rebels won't side with Al-Qaeda? If you cannot, why support a side that can be worse. This is the problem with meddling in the M.E. people only look short-term and not long-term. An ally tomorrow can be your enemy in less than a decade.
 
And you can show as fact that the rebels won't side with Al-Qaeda? If you cannot, why support a side that can be worse. This is the problem with meddling in the M.E. people only look short-term and not long-term. An ally tomorrow can be your enemy in less than a decade.

I am sure some rebels do support AQ.. but there are several warring factions in Syria.
 
Actually don't agree. We may agree that the timing of Obama is terrible and he's made the situation worse, but we should "disturb" other countries if it's in our national interest.

Emm here comes the opinion of one American. Come On !!! this is cruel. Really you citizen feels happy when you disturb other country for your interest. This is the main reason, You have waged lots of war after WWII than any other country in world. I dont know, if its american people interest. That crazy to hear that !!!
 
I am sure some rebels do support AQ.. but there are several warring factions in Syria.

And THAT right there is a reason to NOT take sides against Assad. Becuase it could help those groups that have Al-Qaeda ties.
 
And THAT right there is a reason to NOT take sides against Assad. Becuase it could help those groups that have Al-Qaeda ties.

You have Druze, Christians, Sunni, Shia and Alawites.. plus an influx of outsiders..... The situation is a mess and will likely stay that way.. Remember Assad promised elections two years ago.
 
You have Druze, Christians, Sunni, Shia and Alawites.. plus an influx of outsiders..... The situation is a mess and will likely stay that way.. Remember Assad promised elections two years ago.

Yes, it is a mess. A mess the U.S. should stay out of. If we interfere AGAIN we could very well put a terrorist group in power. The more reason to not lob missles into a country don't you think?

This is a U.N. matter. If THEY decide military intervention is required, then it needs to have the support of ALL members in the form of troops and money.
 
US plans for '3 days of attack' on Syria




I do not support this kind of action in any way, shape, or form.

Does anyone think that once we start, we'll not become involved in a much bigger way?

I see a domino effect happening here, and I don't like it one bit.






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I'm with you. This is strange considering my background. 20 years active duty, another 26 working for the army as a DA Civilian. but I see nothing but bad news comeing from an attack on Syria. I don't know about the domino effect, but you are right on.
 
I'm with you. This is strange considering my background. 20 years active duty, another 26 working for the army as a DA Civilian. but I see nothing but bad news comeing from an attack on Syria. I don't know about the domino effect, but you are right on.

Domino only in that once we flip the one and start it falling, more will fall....

"3 Days" turns into weeks, turns into months, maybe turns into "boots on the ground", then possibly turns into another Iraq/Afghanistan.....
 
Domino only in that once we flip the one and start it falling, more will fall....

"3 Days" turns into weeks, turns into months, maybe turns into "boots on the ground", then possibly turns into another Iraq/Afghanistan.....

Okay, I understand now. The domino theory was applied to French Indochina before. Thanks
 
Emm here comes the opinion of one American. Come On !!! this is cruel. Really you citizen feels happy when you disturb other country for your interest. This is the main reason, You have waged lots of war after WWII than any other country in world. I dont know, if its american people interest. That crazy to hear that !!!

I think you have a serious misunderstanding of international relations. You maybe take one or a handful of examples where you think the result wasn't what you wanted, and apply it across the board to all other situations. You also falsely assume that the US is the only country that pursues its national interests. You apparently haven't made the connection that the vast majority of modernized successful countries live under the umbrella of American military and economic protection...protections that exist precisely because countries that didn't or don't play nice get "disturbed".
 
Well, but I was being facetious and less focused on the generality of the issue than its specifics. Certainly, there are circumstances when we need to "disturb" other countries.

I figured that. I just don't want to concede to a non-American that we shouldn't pursue our national interest just because they think we shouldn't.
 
I think you have a serious misunderstanding of international relations. You maybe take one or a handful of examples where you think the result wasn't what you wanted, and apply it across the board to all other situations. You also falsely assume that the US is the only country that pursues its national interests. You apparently haven't made the connection that the vast majority of modernized successful countries live under the umbrella of American military and economic protection...protections that exist precisely because countries that didn't or don't play nice get "disturbed".


Ya may be I misunderstand. But I know every countries place their own interest but there are very few countries including US are very intensive/aggressive in their interest. And they don't care damn about that country, after their interest has been accomplished. And ya countries which is under america protection control, aren't smart enough to prevent US disturbing.
 
Ya may be I misunderstand. But I know every countries place their own interest but there are very few countries including US are very intensive/aggressive in their interest.
We have a LOT of interests that need tending to occasionally. The reason there are very few countries that aggressively tend to their interests is because they are not capable of doing so. Is Japan capable of ensuring the straights of hormuz remain open to oil traffic, for example? No, but we are and that benefits the world economies which in turn benefits us.
And they don't care damn about that country, after their interest has been accomplished.
Generally speaking, that is not true. I can list many more examples of that not being true than it being true. Perhaps you are referring to the specific examples of Iraq and a handful of other botched foreign policy stances of the current administration. Referencing the prior administrations actions, however, wouldn't it have been a lot easier to lay waste and then leave? Yes, but we stayed, invested, died to help that country rebuild and reconcile...then we left abruptly after a new president took over with not even a base or SOFA agreement in place. Fail.
And ya countries which is under america protection control, aren't smart enough to prevent US disturbing.

I'm having a hard time figuring out what your point is here. Perhaps you could rephrase with the understanding that your English is poor and that's ok. I think what you mean is that countries that enjoy our protections should prevent us from "disturbing" other countries? If that is what you mean, then again false. I'm sure South Korea is quite happy that we back them up with North Korea. I'm sure Japan is happy we are present keeping China in check. etc.etc.
 
We have a LOT of interests that need tending to occasionally. The reason there are very few countries that aggressively tend to their interests is because they are not capable of doing so. Is Japan capable of ensuring the straights of hormuz remain open to oil traffic, for example? No, but we are and that benefits the world economies which in turn benefits us.

Generally speaking, that is not true. I can list many more examples of that not being true than it being true. Perhaps you are referring to the specific examples of Iraq and a handful of other botched foreign policy stances of the current administration. Referencing the prior administrations actions, however, wouldn't it have been a lot easier to lay waste and then leave? Yes, but we stayed, invested, died to help that country rebuild and reconcile...then we left abruptly after a new president took over with not even a base or SOFA agreement in place. Fail.


I'm having a hard time figuring out what your point is here. Perhaps you could rephrase with the understanding that your English is poor and that's ok. I think what you mean is that countries that enjoy our protections should prevent us from "disturbing" other countries? If that is what you mean, then again false. I'm sure South Korea is quite happy that we back them up with North Korea. I'm sure Japan is happy we are present keeping China in check. etc.etc.

Ok let me explain you in a right way as you may have high level of English skill :lol:. Ya as you said US have lots of international interest. BTW, rumors of closing straight of Hormuz is just a provocation to bully west & their sanction. It never gonna happen because it will affect major Iranian economy and her close partners.

Let me get to point of US bad intervention like in Yugoslav(Kosovo War), Iran and Iraq conflict which just killed over half a million people. then Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Russia-Georgia war now Syria. In all this places there was always a diplomatic solution to solve the issue than just fighting around like animals. And the worse thing happening now, in all this place were US/NATO intervene, had very bad corrupted government than before. This would have been prevented if diplomatic solution was made by their own people than any lied foreign military intervention. And please don't mention that NATO/US is acting like savior of world :lamo. All this intervene is done to protect west economy and they hate if someones economy blooming then them like BRICS & SCO nations. All this intervene are the reason only to protect their interest, not for the people they are fighting for.

Ya there is always a saying that 'if 2 enemy have similar ideal, they can be friends'. Thats what is happening in South Korea for North Korea and Japan for China. Ya i agree North Korea is f**ked up nation. But dispute between china-japan makes sense(read about Nanking Massacre, if u haven't), this was the beginning of bad relationship and US took this as a advantage, and now relationship is getting worser everyday than getting into solution..

Thats why I am mentioning most of US/NATO military intervention is always hurt innocent people than getting to diplomatic solution.
 
Ok let me explain you in a right way as you may have high level of English skill :lol:. Ya as you said US have lots of international interest. BTW, rumors of closing straight of Hormuz is just a provocation to bully west & their sanction. It never gonna happen because it will affect major Iranian economy and her close partners.
If by rumors, you mean threats, then ok. I know its never going to happen, because we would stop them. No worries about English skill. I probably can't speak your language so I can't judge.
Let me get to point of US bad intervention like in Yugoslav(Kosovo War), Iran and Iraq conflict which just killed over half a million people. then Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Russia-Georgia war now Syria. In all this places there was always a diplomatic solution to solve the issue than just fighting around like animals. And the worse thing happening now, in all this place were US/NATO intervene, had very bad corrupted government than before. This would have been prevented if diplomatic solution was made by their own people than any lied foreign military intervention. And please don't mention that NATO/US is acting like savior of world :lamo. All this intervene is done to protect west economy and they hate if someones economy blooming then them like BRICS & SCO nations. All this intervene are the reason only to protect their interest, not for the people they are fighting for.
Again, you're cherry picking in order to make your point, which is blame America for everything I'm guessing. Not that the ME is a mess despite America, no, that doesn't fit into your anti-American narrative. Too bad you don't realize the benefits of American protection even as you use a computer or mobile device: Technology developed in America, comes from a company that is probably either American or another country that still exists as a direct result of American protection (like Japan or South Korea), and shipped to your location for your enjoyment via sea lanes that are guarded by America.
Ya there is always a saying that 'if 2 enemy have similar ideal, they can be friends'. Thats what is happening in South Korea for North Korea and Japan for China. Ya i agree North Korea is f**ked up nation. But dispute between china-japan makes sense(read about Nanking Massacre, if u haven't), this was the beginning of bad relationship and US took this as a advantage, and now relationship is getting worser everyday than getting into solution..

Thats why I am mentioning most of US/NATO military intervention is always hurt innocent people than getting to diplomatic solution.

You're suggesting that Japan and America are enemies? only united by a common threat of China? You're suggesting that we're taking advantage of the Japan/China relationship? Explain.
 
If by rumors, you mean threats, then ok. I know its never going to happen, because we would stop them. No worries about English skill. I probably can't speak your language so I can't judge.

Again, you're cherry picking in order to make your point, which is blame America for everything I'm guessing. Not that the ME is a mess despite America, no, that doesn't fit into your anti-American narrative. Too bad you don't realize the benefits of American protection even as you use a computer or mobile device: Technology developed in America, comes from a company that is probably either American or another country that still exists as a direct result of American protection (like Japan or South Korea), and shipped to your location for your enjoyment via sea lanes that are guarded by America.


You're suggesting that Japan and America are enemies? only united by a common threat of China? You're suggesting that we're taking advantage of the Japan/China relationship? Explain.

Please Please you mistaken I am not anti american. I mostly mean NATO, but any ways. I know US have developed a lot in modern technology. I am very proud of american, which always proves that floods of immigrants with various idea & culture given top-notch qualities in products than been conservative. I love american man. Please dont mistake me, I meat your government always choose weapon than diplomatic solution. And i want you guy to stop supporting it, because it makes things worse.

But again your guarding your product for your profit, please don't mention like your doing favor for us. And 'guarded by America' those things days are over other than, Atlantic and Asia-Pacific

Ya come-on have you forgotten the history of world war II. The main reason, which is Nanking Massacre made very bad relationship between japan-china. And Japan have no other choice to ally with American/NATO which is against China to protect her interests. Other than that there is no reason to be this close friendship with US/NATO. Indeed Japan is not member of NATO and never will be. And China-Japan have very rich history of culture and friendship from ancient times which can be very easily to rebound in many ways, if japan didn't have this close relationship with NATO.
 
Please Please you mistaken I am not anti american. I mostly mean NATO, but any ways. I know US have developed a lot in modern technology. I am very proud of american, which always proves that floods of immigrants with various idea & culture given top-notch qualities in products than been conservative. I love american man. Please dont mistake me, I meat your government always choose weapon than diplomatic solution. And i want you guy to stop supporting it, because it makes things worse.
Well, your second paragraph of your previous post was a general bashing of America on a huge range of things. Our government Actually chooses diplomacy far more often than weapons. Unfortunately, Russia and China usually block diplomatic efforts because those effort often interfere with THEIR interests. So maybe you should blame them instead.
But again your guarding your product for your profit, please don't mention like your doing favor for us. And 'guarded by America' those things days are over other than, Atlantic and Asia-Pacific
Sure we are, but the most of the world either directly or indirectly profits from that as well...so you're welcome. Those days are not over, because you've listed a portion of where it still continues. Anti-piracy operations around Somalia and joint anti-piracy operations around the world. We've already mentioned straights of hormuz...to name some others.
Ya come-on have you forgotten the history of world war II. The main reason, which is Nanking Massacre made very bad relationship between japan-china. And Japan have no other choice to ally with American/NATO which is against China to protect her interests. Other than that there is no reason to be this close friendship with US/NATO. Indeed Japan is not member of NATO and never will be. And China-Japan have very rich history of culture and friendship from ancient times which can be very easily to rebound in many ways, if japan didn't have this close relationship with NATO.
Ha! You think Japan and China are historic friends prior to WW2. All you keep talking about is Nanjing (Nanking is somewhat of an old spelling, unless you keep spelling Peking rather than Beijing). Every Asian country that Japan invaded in WW2 still has a lot of bad feelings about it, including Korea. We stayed in Japan following WW2 not because of China, it was to rebuild Japan, keep Russia out, and make sure the Japanese didn't embrace militancy in the future. Over time the Chinese threat evolved and naturally became the prominent reason for our presence. Either way, this is mostly just a conversation about WW2 and Japan. I'm still not sure why you think our friendship with Japan is a bad thing.
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Looks like the 3 day plan.....was thrown a change up. ;)
 
Looks like the 3 day plan.....was thrown a change up. ;)


As long as USofA weaponry is not being fired into Syria, or supplied to someone who will fire it into Syria I am happy with that.

If Russia comes to the rescue of all things common-sense then good for them. I'll go buy some Russian Vodka and toast them for preventing US intervention. Sort of ironic isn't it.
 
As long as USofA weaponry is not being fired into Syria, or supplied to someone who will fire it into Syria I am happy with that.

If Russia comes to the rescue of all things common-sense then good for them. I'll go buy some Russian Vodka and toast them for preventing US intervention. Sort of ironic isn't it.

Yep it is.....now we should find out what Chems are in any Sunni Controlled Countries and the Saud has? Make sure we go Pin Prick them too. Whats good for the Golden Goose is just as good for all the tarnished ganders.
 
"US plans for '3 days of attack' on Syria"

I'll bet they wish we would get on with it so they can move back into their homes.
 
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