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    Re: Ed Asner: Hollywood Silent on Syria Because They ‘Don’t Want to Feel Anti-Black[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks View Post
    When President Bush was calling the shots, the protests started long before the war
    Define 'long'. I recall it as during the constant drum beat of lies to try and convince us Iraq was importing yellow cake- a lie, centrifuge tubing- galvanized pipe for 122 rocker bodies, some al-Queera meeting with Saddam operative- another lie all for an INVASION.

    What part of INVASION don't a few folks understand. BushII NEVER thought of anything less than INVASION.

    When Obama starts a series of 'evidence' in an attempt to push for an INVASION- then we can start talking a similar issue.

    Right now we have something more like Clinton's cruise missiles than BushII INVASION. Cons back then thought cruise missiles was wussy... now suddenly cruise missiles are war mongering...

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    Re: Ed Asner: Hollywood Silent on Syria Because They ‘Don’t Want to Feel Anti-Black[W

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Define 'long'. I recall it as during the constant drum beat of lies to try and convince us Iraq was importing yellow cake- a lie, centrifuge tubing- galvanized pipe for 122 rocker bodies, some al-Queera meeting with Saddam operative- another lie all for an INVASION.

    What part of INVASION don't a few folks understand. BushII NEVER thought of anything less than INVASION.

    When Obama starts a series of 'evidence' in an attempt to push for an INVASION- then we can start talking a similar issue.

    Right now we have something more like Clinton's cruise missiles than BushII INVASION. Cons back then thought cruise missiles was wussy... now suddenly cruise missiles are war mongering...
    That's the rub. Obama can claim limited strikes all he wants, but once Congress gives an approval then Obama can put boots on the ground. If Obama wanted limited strikes he could have done so without permission from Congress.

    Remember, Congress approved action in Iraq in the event that Saddam proved to be an imminent threat to the U.S. and to defend American interests. Iraq was no imminent threat and the U.S. was not defending itself.

    All it takes is Congressional approval.

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    Re: Ed Asner: Hollywood Silent on Syria Because They ‘Don’t Want to Feel Anti-Black[W

    Maybe the silence is because this issue has a terrific amount of emotional conflict and nobody knows what to say.

    Assad is hardly loved and most of the world would be thrilled to see a missile blow his head off. But at what price?

    One the one hand, there is a humanitarian argument but just as strong is a "why am I doing this?" argument. This is a no-win for the US and these other countries are just a bunch of pussies waiting for Goliath to show up and solve the problem.

    There is an old saying: "when you don't know what to do, don't do anything at all". Also: "silence is golden".

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    Re: Ed Asner: Hollywood Silent on Syria Because They ‘Don’t Want to Feel Anti-Black[W

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    That's the rub. Obama can claim limited strikes all he wants, but once Congress gives an approval then Obama can put boots on the ground. If Obama wanted limited strikes he could have done so without permission from Congress. Remember, Congress approved action in Iraq in the event that Saddam proved to be an imminent threat to the U.S. and to defend American interests. Iraq was no imminent threat and the U.S. was not defending itself. All it takes is Congressional approval.
    That is a HIGHLY debatable point. Congress put no limit on what military action was approved back when BushII ran the show. The Cons used what many thought would NOT include boots on the ground to do just that.

    I don't see Congress giving a President a blank check like that anytime soon.

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    Re: Ed Asner: Hollywood Silent on Syria Because They ‘Don’t Want to Feel Anti-Black[W

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    And yet, he is a 1000% improvement over the last guy.
    Any proof of that?

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    Re: Ed Asner: Hollywood Silent on Syria Because They ‘Don’t Want to Feel Anti-Black[W

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    That is a HIGHLY debatable point. Congress put no limit on what military action was approved back when BushII ran the show. The Cons used what many thought would NOT include boots on the ground to do just that.

    I don't see Congress giving a President a blank check like that anytime soon.
    If we start with missile strikes on Assad's forces, one of two things is going to happen.

    1) The Syrian military loses control, and chemical weapons will be up for grabs, and we will need to physically go in and get them.
    2) The Syrian military widens the theater by involving Israel(easy target), which will cause a larger response by both the US and Israel. See outcome #1.


    And at least be honest. Everyone should know by now that Obama is going to Congress solely for the purpose of political cover because the issue is polling unfavorably. 70-80% unfavorably at present.

    He also can't use "global red lines" as an excuse for action because no treaty or agreement concerning chemical weapons use outlines a military response, which is one of the reasons why the EU is waiting on the UN to set the parameters.

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    Re: Ed Asner: Hollywood Silent on Syria Because They ‘Don’t Want to Feel Anti-Black[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    If we start with missile strikes on Assad's forces, one of two things is going to happen.

    1) The Syrian military loses control, and chemical weapons will be up for grabs, and we will need to physically go in and get them.
    2) The Syrian military widens the theater by involving Israel(easy target), which will cause a larger response by both the US and Israel. See outcome #1.

    And at least be honest. Everyone should know by now that Obama is going to Congress solely for the purpose of political cover because the issue is polling unfavorably. 70-80% unfavorably at present. He also can't use "global red lines" as an excuse for action because no treaty or agreement concerning chemical weapons use outlines a military response, which is one of the reasons why the EU is waiting on the UN to set the parameters.
    Well to hear some Cons talk missile strikes are an empty gesture- Cons seem intent on forgetting their disgust and disdain for Clinton using cruise missiles. Now suddenly Assad's forces will lose control when Saddam didn't after a much larger shock and awe prior to our unprovoked invasion of Iraq. Assad will not lose control.

    Do you REALLY think Israel is an easy target? Saddam tried that and it didn't work... History, study it.

    This is not without risk... but I believe the fiasco in Iraq has ruined the tough guy strut Americans enjoy doing. We want our wars like teenage sex- over before the other party knows it even started.

    We were strutting like cocks of the walk before the quagmire. This is our new 'Vietnam Syndrome' that has even Cons fainting at the very thought of punishing villains in areas of strategic importance. WE destabilized Israel and Saudi Arabia's northern border by kicking over the Shiite ant pile in Iraq. Now we want to leave Syria to fester.

    Though I think if an (R) gets back in office the Cons will demand we 'get tough' with Russia and China- which most likely means spending a larger amount of the money we don't have of on big ticket weapons.

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    Re: Ed Asner: Hollywood Silent on Syria Because They ‘Don’t Want to Feel Anti-Black[W

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Do you REALLY think Israel is an easy target? Saddam tried that and it didn't work... History, study it.
    Perhaps you should read up on that to see why Israel didn't retaliate, and then compare the Israel-US relationship at present against what it was in 1991.

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    Re: Ed Asner: Hollywood Silent on Syria Because They ‘Don’t Want to Feel Anti-Black[W

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Perhaps you should read up on that to see why Israel didn't retaliate, and then compare the Israel-US relationship at present against what it was in 1991.
    Already know, they didn't strike back because we gave them anti-missile missiles, and most likely a whole bunch of other stuff... bribes work well in the Middle East.

    Why do some folks think of international relationships as 'friendships'? There are NO, I say again ZERO friendships, just mutual interests.

    Being distracted from Iran by a Syrian 'threat' is something BushII would do. Netty ain't the smartest guy in Israel, but I think he is brighter than BushII.

    For sure Assad doesn't want Israel storming into Damascus.

    Spin it as you will, doesn't make it a fact.

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    Re: Ed Asner: Hollywood Silent on Syria Because They ‘Don’t Want to Feel Anti-Black[W

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Already know, they didn't strike back because we gave them anti-missile missiles, and most likely a whole bunch of other stuff... bribes work well in the Middle East.

    Why do some folks think of international relationships as 'friendships'? There are NO, I say again ZERO friendships, just mutual interests.

    Being distracted from Iran by a Syrian 'threat' is something BushII would do. Netty ain't the smartest guy in Israel, but I think he is brighter than BushII.

    For sure Assad doesn't want Israel storming into Damascus.

    Spin it as you will, doesn't make it a fact.
    You got this part 100% correct, "spin it as you will, doesn't make it a fact."

    They were going to get the missiles and other stuff anyway.

    They didn't strike back because at the time it was not in their best interest to strike back. Whatever strike they would have done was far less than the coalition was going to do. Smart move on their part.
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