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    Re: Minneapolis Courts Chicago's Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Pretending that discrimination is about morality and principle is just nonsense. That's the biggest joke of this whole discussion. The claim that sexual orientation is an issue of morals. The reality is that a person's bigotry does not allow them to ignore the law, which protects against discrimination. That's the law, and no matter what weird beliefs a person might have, they still have to follow the law.
    Ah yes. The law is always right. The law is always just. The law is always absolute.

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    Re: Minneapolis Courts Chicago's Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's moot, as I never have nor will view marriage as a right.
    This, and "government should get out of marriage entirely" never seemed to come up until gays wanted to get married too.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Ah yes. The law is always right. The law is always just. The law is always absolute.

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    I'm officially renaming the "Godwin Fallacy" to "Godwin Surrender." Because going there means you've abandoned any semblance of rational debate.

    Your surrender is accepted, Gipper.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Minneapolis Courts Chicago's Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Ah yes. The law is always right. The law is always just. The law is always absolute.

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    Laws exist to preserve our freedoms. For example, the free market does not exist without established mechanisms to enforce legal contracts. If you head over to the the Soviet Union or former Eastern Bloc countries, there exists little semblence of a free market simply to the fact that wronged parties (fraud victims, contract violations) have no options for redress outside of physical violence. The courts and police are corrupt and enforceable laws are non-existant. Thus their economies suffer to the point that they cannot be considered free or equitable.

    That is likewise with discrimination and protected classes. In economics everyone is considered an interchangeable rational economic actor. Not considered is that in reality some people are hindered from freely entering into contracts because one party is refusing the other party on the basis of religion, skin color or sexual orientation. Thus we see populations like the LGBT or racial minority communities generally having a worse perspective when it comes to employment, income levels, educational attainment, health care access, etc. Laws like the Civil Rights Act or protected classes try to mitigate that, albeit not always with complete successful but it still definitely helps.

    / Pragmatic and consequentialist libertarianism.

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    Re: Minneapolis Courts Chicago's Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    That is likewise with discrimination and protected classes. In economics everyone is considered an interchangeable rational economic actor. Not considered is that in reality some people are hindered from freely entering into contracts because one party is refusing the other party on the basis of religion, skin color or sexual orientation. Thus we see populations like the LGBT or racial minority communities generally having a worse perspective when it comes to employment, income levels, educational attainment, health care access, etc. Laws like the Civil Rights Act or protected classes try to mitigate that, albeit not always with complete successful but it still definitely helps.
    What you're arguing is not libertarianism, freedom, or capitalism. You may be the only self-proclaimed "libertarian" who likes to argue on the side of perceived fairness and idealism.

    You are not pragmatic by any stretch.

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    Re: Minneapolis Courts Chicago's Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Ah yes. The law is always right. The law is always just. The law is always absolute.

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    Ah yes, equating the rights of gays to get married with one of the most notoriously oppressive and homophobic regimes of the 20th century.

    Solid work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Ah yes, equating the rights of gays to get married with one of the most notoriously oppressive and homophobic regimes of the 20th century.

    Solid work.
    Hardly. I was just mocking people who want to give Washington absolute power.

    It's bad enough that America dictates the morality of other nations. I'd rather them not do it to their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Hardly. I was just mocking people who want to give Washington absolute power.
    Pick your battles. When the government actually grants more rights to its citizens is probably not the best or most logical moment to make allusions to the Third Reich.

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    Re: Minneapolis Courts Chicago's Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Pick your battles. When the government actually grants more rights to its citizens is probably not the best or most logical moment to make allusions to the Third Reich.
    Someone who refuses to do business with another, for whatever reason, is not stripping them of a right. That's ludicrous.

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    Re: Minneapolis Courts Chicago's Same-Sex Couples

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Someone who refuses to do business with another, for whatever reason, is not stripping them of a right. That's ludicrous.
    I was talking about gays being married. What are you talking about?

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