Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 32

Thread: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

  1. #11
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It's not a question of editorial comment but of evidence from people involved, i.e. former employees of Robertson's so-called charity organisation. I understand you might probably have a political aversion to The Guardian.
    My aversion to the Guardian is hardly political, but more based on shoddy reporting and agenda driven writing


    What do you have against these particular film-makers, who have no connection to the Guardian Media Group, that leads you to doubt their professional ethics?
    None, I just don't take claims from random people as fact.

  2. #12
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,674

    Re: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

    I dont doubt anything about this. Im almost finished reading "Shake Hands with the Devil". There were no saints in Rwanda...or most of Africa.

  3. #13
    Global Moderator
    Bodhidarma approves bigly
    Andalublue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Granada, España
    Last Seen
    11-29-17 @ 01:21 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    26,111

    Re: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    My aversion to the Guardian ...is based on shoddy reporting and agenda driven writing
    So it is political, then. Show me a media outlet that doesn't have an agenda that it follows. Does. Not. Exist. The fact is that what you're really saying is that you don't like the Guardian's.
    Last edited by Andalublue; 09-08-13 at 06:18 PM.
    "The crisis will end when fear changes sides" - Pablo Iglesias Turrión

    "Austerity is used as a cover to reconfigure society and increase inequality and injustice." - Jeremy Corbyn

  4. #14
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    So it is political, then.
    No, their politics are completely irrelevant. It's the manner in which they report information



    Show me a media outlet that doesn't have an agenda that it follows.
    If you want to pretend there is no question of degree here then it would be a waste of breath even having a discussion with you on the topic


    The fact is that what you're really saying is that you don't like the Guardian's.
    I've been reading the Guardian since Jello Biafra recommended it to me back in 98, and I really have no particular issue with their politics. What I take issue with is how they report the news.

  5. #15
    Global Moderator
    Bodhidarma approves bigly
    Andalublue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Granada, España
    Last Seen
    11-29-17 @ 01:21 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    26,111

    Re: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, their politics are completely irrelevant. It's the manner in which they report information





    If you want to pretend there is no question of degree here then it would be a waste of breath even having a discussion with you on the topic




    I've been reading the Guardian since Jello Biafra recommended it to me back in 98, and I really have no particular issue with their politics. What I take issue with is how they report the news.
    Attacking the messenger is a fairly common and fallacious diversionary tactic. What's your take on Pat Robertson's so-called charity projects? Please try to remain on topic.
    "The crisis will end when fear changes sides" - Pablo Iglesias Turrión

    "Austerity is used as a cover to reconfigure society and increase inequality and injustice." - Jeremy Corbyn

  6. #16
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Attacking the messenger is a fairly common and fallacious diversionary tactic.
    No, attacking the messenger is irrelevant and a fallacy when the content of that message has no dependence on the reporter. But if the reporter is making claims based on things such as their expertise or trustworthiness, then their expertise and trustworthiness clearly come into question.

    Secondly, I made it rather clear that I have no issue with the story possibly being true. I'm just not going to accept it as true based on the reporting of the guardian and a documentary film


    What's your take on Pat Robertson's so-called charity projects? Please try to remain on topic.
    Everything I have posted here either dealt with the topic or issues you raised in response to my remarks on the topic.

  7. #17
    Global Moderator
    Bodhidarma approves bigly
    Andalublue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Granada, España
    Last Seen
    11-29-17 @ 01:21 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    26,111

    Re: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Everything I have posted here either dealt with the topic or issues you raised in response to my remarks on the topic.
    No, you haven't mentioned him, nor commented on anything relating specifically to the content of the OP.
    "The crisis will end when fear changes sides" - Pablo Iglesias Turrión

    "Austerity is used as a cover to reconfigure society and increase inequality and injustice." - Jeremy Corbyn

  8. #18
    Sage
    sangha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lower Hudson Valley, NY
    Last Seen
    09-17-17 @ 05:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59,990

    Re: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    No, attacking the messenger is irrelevant and a fallacy when the content of that message has no dependence on the reporter. But if the reporter is making claims based on things such as their expertise or trustworthiness, then their expertise and trustworthiness clearly come into question.
    The reporter is not making claims based on their expertise or trustworthiness. They are reporting the facts uncovered by the documentarians.

    This is not the first time PR has used charities to fund his own personal fortune

    Pat Robertson controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

  9. #19
    Guru
    brothern's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:13 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    3,175
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I've never been enamoured of televangelists, but this pretty much takes the biscuit. If you can find a scummier example of profiteering at the expense of the victims of genocide, I'll tip my hat to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Not that I would be exactly surprised if the accusations turned out true, but I'm highly skeptical of any such claims based on reporting from the guardian and a documentary film.
    Why is this news right now? Just the new documentary? ...

    Pat Robertson's role in blood diamonds has already been established and has been beyond allegations for years at this point. I mean, this was first reported in 1999.

  10. #20
    King Conspiratard
    Dr. Chuckles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    02-13-14 @ 03:04 PM
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    12,895

    Re: How Pat Robertson raised millions on the back of a non-existent aid project

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, you haven't mentioned him, nor commented on anything relating specifically to the content of the OP.
    my first post: "Not that I would be exactly surprised if the accusations turned out true, but I'm highly skeptical of any such claims based on reporting from the guardian and a documentary film."

    What we have discussed since has been in response to questions and arguments from you addressing the above

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •