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On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

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translation: you know it true

if you disagree get one honest, respected objective poster to back you up and claim otherwise and then present FACTS that CC lost to. not your meanignless posted lies and opinion but FACTS.

i cant wait for this entertainment. (also dont give me an example where CC admitted he made a mistake lol)
 
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1.) biology and science have NOTHING to do with legal marriage, fail 1

Sure they do. Marriage was created as an institution because of specific social, economic and biological (scientific) purposes

Gay Marriage is pointless

2.) wrong again, no lashing, i point out thae facts and when poeple make dishonest posts HUGE difference fail 2

You don't deal in facts. You deal in emotional arguments and name calling. It's amusing you can't see tell the difference.

ive never viciously attacked anybody for a different OPINION. if you disagree PLEASE link me doing this instead of making up lies, nice try fail 3
4.) thats what i thought, fail 4

That's all you ever do. Attack people who don't approve or condone of homosexual sex and deviant behavior

translation: you have none and this is why your posts get destroyed

Emo nonsense. This is exactly why I always ignore you. Idiotic nonsense like above. If you're telling people that you destroyed them, you're trying too hard. You're insecure about the validity and strength of your arguments, so if you have to make it personal and claim "victory". How embarrassing.

facts destroy your posts again, let me know when you get any facts supporting the lies you posted, any . . .hell ill take even ONE

As has been pointed out. You're not interested in facts. :2wave:
 
1.) Sure they do. Marriage was created as an institution because of special social, economic and biological (scientific) purposes

Gay Marriage is pointless

2.)You don't deal in facts. You deal in emotional arguments and name calling. It's amusing you can't see tell the difference.

3.)That's all you ever do. Attack people who don't approve or condone of homosexual sex and deviant behavior

4.)Emo nonsense. This is exactly why I always ignore you. Idiotic nonsense like above. If you're telling people that you destroyed them, you're trying too hard. You're insecure about the validity and strength of your arguments, so if you have to make it personal and claim "victory". How embarrassing.



5.) As has been pointed out. You're not interested in facts. :2wave:

1.) again im looking for FACTS not your meaningless unsupportable opinions.
biology and science have nothing gto do with legal marriage in the US, this fact wont change fail 1

2.) you can post this lie over and over again but the diffence is i can prove everythign i call a fact and you can not. fail 2

3.) translation: you have no examples so you try to deflect and post lies so we continue to laugh at your failed posts. fail 3

4.) another failed deflection and emotion lashing out over your posts failing. fail 4

5.) another posted lie, if you disagree post those facts now, all we need is ONE. fail 5

maybe next post youll post some FACTS that support you, cant wait to read them we are all waiting

fact remains there are same sex couples that are married, crying about this wont change the facts
 
I think that the block lgbt is running into is that many consider "marriage" a religious rite.

The United States government does not care one bit whether any religious ceremony took place.

I would agree to some extent. Which is why my position would be to eliminate the word marriage altogether and call any and all unions that are governmentally sanctioned, civil unions. Gay, straight, whatever. Same name, same rights. Then, if you are "united" in a religious ceremony, you can use the term "marriage". It fits since the term civil union meets the government definition very well.

I disagree. This cedes ground to the religious that they own the word. They do not.
 
Biological and scientific fact. Not my problem you are anti science.



Of course it hurts you. Look at the way you emotionally lash out at anyone who has a different opinion. Look at how you personally attack people. Look at how you and all the other "tolerant" individuals proclaiming to be for "equality" viciously attack anyone you disagree with personally.



You're not interested in facts which is why I rarely bother with your emo nonense

You talk about procreation as if it is key to marriage. What about infertile couples?
 
The United States government does not care one bit whether any religious ceremony took place.



I disagree. This cedes ground to the religious that they own the word. They do not.

On this I agree. I have a family member who was married this past year to his partner of several years. Being against "gay" marriage has only one basis - religious fundamentalism badly misinterpreted.
 
You talk about procreation as if it is key to marriage. What about infertile couples?

Infertile couples don't change the definition of marriage from man + woman to man + ? or woman + ?. It's still XX + XY

They meet the existing criteria. Marriage was created for purposeful and specific social, economic and biological reasons. It's the oldest known institution in human history. It's instinctual and biological in animals (unlike homosexuality). If homosexual sex was genetic and planned, evolution would have found a use for it a long time ago and adapted accordingly. Animals in the wild engage in sodomy and other filthy behaviors because of dominance, clash of senses. In other words, it's not rational. There isn't a homosexual instinct in animals to mate.
 
Infertile couples don't change the definition of marriage from man + woman to man + ? or woman + ?. It's still XX + XY

They meet the existing criteria. Marriage was created for purposeful and specific social, economic and biological reasons. It's the oldest known institution in human history. It's instinctual and biological in animals (unlike homosexuality). If homosexual sex was genetic and planned, evolution would have found a use for it a long time ago and adapted accordingly. Animals in the wild engage in sodomy and other filthy behaviors because of dominance, clash of senses. In other words, it's not rational. There isn't a homosexual instinct in animals to mate.


Religious beliefs do appear to cause irrational behaviour - and denial of reality.


I will agree that marriage was created for social and economic reasons but not the biological aspect. When women were once seen as chattel, marriage had many economic implications, procreation was only one of those. Marriage ceremonies didn't apply to more than 90% of the populace for most of history. It was only the elite, the nobility, the One Percenters who used marriage ceremonies to unite families, tribes, clans and nations. In some cultures, the joining of lovers had many permutations. Unlike what we think of as the mediaeval standard, there are recorded joinings in matrimony of two male nobles with the sanction of the Church. In Asia, it is known that some groups used polyandry to maintain their culture - men died too frequently, so women often had more than one husband at the same time. Native American tribes were known to accept the "two-spirited" as natural beings.

So basically, the whole, "marriage has always been one man and one woman" is historical nonsense.
 
Religious beliefs do appear to cause irrational behaviour - and denial of reality.

I didn't mention religion

I will agree that marriage was created for social and economic reasons but not the biological aspect. When women were once seen as chattel, marriage had many economic implications, procreation was only one of those. Marriage ceremonies didn't apply to more than 90% of the populace for most of history. It was only the elite, the nobility, the One Percenters who used marriage ceremonies to unite families, tribes, clans and nations. In some cultures, the joining of lovers had many permutations. Unlike what we think of as the mediaeval standard, there are recorded joinings in matrimony of two male nobles with the sanction of the Church. In Asia, it is known that some groups used polyandry to maintain their culture - men died too frequently, so women often had more than one husband at the same time. Native American tribes were known to accept the "two-spirited" as natural beings.

So basically, the whole, "marriage has always been one man and one woman" is historical nonsense.

The broad notion that marriage = man + woman is the oldest known definition of an institution in human history. All you can point to are a few Indians. The concept of gay marriage is new. Even the supreme court recognized that fact.
 
I didn't mention religion



The broad notion that marriage = man + woman is the oldest known definition of an institution in human history. All you can point to are a few Indians. The concept of gay marriage is new. Even the supreme court recognized that fact.


You keep saying it but it don't make it true. Mankind has had far more variations from what you and others of your ilk believe to be the norm. Some anthropologists think prostitution is older than marriage
 
1.)Infertile couples don't change the definition of marriage from man + woman to man + ? or woman + ?. It's still XX + XY

2.)They meet the existing criteria. Marriage was created for purposeful and specific social, economic and biological reasons. It's the oldest known institution in human history. It's instinctual and biological in animals (unlike homosexuality). If homosexual sex was genetic and planned, evolution would have found a use for it a long time ago and adapted accordingly. Animals in the wild engage in sodomy and other filthy behaviors because of dominance, clash of senses. In other words, it's not rational. There isn't a homosexual instinct in animals to mate.

1.) sorry facts prove thats not the definition of marriage, post this lie over and over wont change this fact
2.) more meaningless opinion that impacts the facts ZERO
 
Infertile couples don't change the definition of marriage from man + woman to man + ? or woman + ?. It's still XX + XY

But they can't procreate. If the ability to procreate is central to marriage, this would be an argument against allowing infertile couples to marry. But now you say it's still ok for infertile couples to stay married or get married, which means that the inability to procreate does not preclude marriage.

Which means it's not an argument against same-sex marriage at all, so why are we bringing it up?
They meet the existing criteria. Marriage was created for purposeful and specific social, economic and biological reasons. It's the oldest known institution in human history.
"The existing criteria" has changed over time, across cultures, etc. "The existing criteria" used to be two people of the same race. People had all sorts of supposed reasons. They even said it was against the will of God, against Natural Law, etc.
It's instinctual and biological in animals (unlike homosexuality). If homosexual sex was genetic and planned, evolution would have found a use for it a long time ago and adapted accordingly. Animals in the wild engage in sodomy and other filthy behaviors because of dominance, clash of senses. In other words, it's not rational. There isn't a homosexual instinct in animals to mate.
1) Homosexuality occurs in nature in numerous species. You are just declaring the reasons aren't rational, but what evidence do you have to support that? You are declaring there isn't such an instinct, but the behavior is clearly observed.
2) Marriage isn't the same thing as sex. Ask any married man. Why are you obsessing over gay sex?
3) Marriage isn't natural in the first place. If you want to make anything supposedly "unnatural" illegal, don't vaccinate your children and don't set foot on an airplane. Or own a gun. I mean, since you're defining rights based on nature, and all.
 
I would say marriage is helpful for all children. :)

yes all things being equal gay couples raising children is a great thing.
 
I would agree to some extent. Which is why my position would be to eliminate the word marriage altogether and call any and all unions that are governmentally sanctioned, civil unions. Gay, straight, whatever. Same name, same rights. Then, if you are "united" in a religious ceremony, you can use the term "marriage". It fits since the term civil union meets the government definition very well.

No thanks. In this country, religion is one of the major agents of social control. Give them anything, and they'll fight for more. Immediately your designation of "civil unions" will yet again create a 2nd class group. In time, churches will push for "marriage" to have additional rights that the "civil unions" do not, and we repeat this whole charade all over again.
 
You keep saying it but it don't make it true. Mankind has had far more variations from what you and others of your ilk believe to be the norm. Some anthropologists think prostitution is older than marriage

You keep claiming it's not true doesn't make it false

It is absolutely true, despite what your post-modernism gobbly-gook perception believes
 
But they can't procreate. If the ability to procreate is central to marriage, this would be an argument against allowing infertile couples to marry. But now you say it's still ok for infertile couples to stay married or get married, which means that the inability to procreate does not preclude marriage.

I'm not against men and women marrying. It doesn't change the definition of words and institutions. Stop with the endless strawmen. Thanks.

Which means it's not an argument against same-sex marriage at all, so why are we bringing it up?

Marriage = man + woman

"The existing criteria" has changed over time, across cultures, etc. "The existing criteria" used to be two people of the same race. People had all sorts of supposed reasons. They even said it was against the will of God, against Natural Law, etc.

No it hasn't. Sporadic anomalies here and there doesn't refute what the broad notion of marriage has always meant across all cultures and traditions since the beginning of human history.

1) Homosexuality occurs in nature in numerous species. You are just declaring the reasons aren't rational, but what evidence do you have to support that? You are declaring there isn't such an instinct, but the behavior is clearly observed.

No it does not. There is no homosexual instinct in animals to mate. Animals engage in sodomy because of dominance, conflicting stimuli, ect. It's not an emotional, rational decision animals are making when they engage in sodomy and other filthy behaviors in the wild.

2) Marriage isn't the same thing as sex. Ask any married man. Why are you obsessing over gay sex?


Boooooooring .... we can toss the "you're obsessed with gay sex" jabs back and forth all day.

3) Marriage isn't natural in the first place. If you want to make anything supposedly "unnatural" illegal, don't vaccinate your children and don't set foot on an airplane. Or own a gun. I mean, since you're defining rights based on nature, and all.

The concept of marriage as an institution came out of necessity. If gay marriage was an awesome idea when marriage first came about, it would have become a mainstream accepted notion and institution centuries ago. If homosexual sex had a specific purpose, evolution would have long ago identified what that was and adapted accordingly.

We're not animals. Biologically, emotionally, psychologically study after study has shown that human children do best when raised by their biological parents in a low conflict household. Gay Marriage is pointless. It has no value. It's 3% of the population demanding we all set aside our standards and beliefs and bow down to their demands. Let each state vote then and forever brand their Constitutions with what the definition of marriage is. State by State. No possibility of any federal interference. Ever.
 
You keep saying it but it don't make it true. Mankind has had far more variations from what you and others of your ilk believe to be the norm. Some anthropologists think prostitution is older than marriage

The Supreme Court has spoken on the subject

Gay Marriage is a very new concept. The reason why is because past generations had the sense to understand that it's not a good idea.
 
I'm not against men and women marrying. It doesn't change the definition of words and institutions. Stop with the endless strawmen. Thanks.
It's not a straw man. You brought up procreation, not me. Why? Is it critical to marriage?

Marriage = man + woman
Nothing to do with the text you quoted here. Procreation was your argument.

No it hasn't. Sporadic anomalies here and there doesn't refute what the broad notion of marriage has always meant across all cultures and traditions since the beginning of human history.
You say it hasn't been observed and then admit that it has been. Interesting.
No it does not. There is no homosexual instinct in animals to mate. Animals engage in sodomy because of dominance, conflicting stimuli, ect. It's not an emotional, rational decision animals are making when they engage in sodomy and other filthy behaviors in the wild.

Says you. Provide evidence.
Boooooooring .... we can toss the "you're obsessed with gay sex" jabs back and forth all day.

I've been talking about marriage this whole thread. You're the one focusing on sex.

The concept of marriage as an institution came out of necessity. If interracial marriage was an awesome idea when marriage first came about, it would have become a mainstream accepted notion and institution centuries ago. If interracial marriage had a specific purpose, evolution would have long ago identified what that was and adapted accordingly.

Same ****, different decade.

We're not animals. Biologically, emotionally, psychologically study after study has shown that human children do best when raised by their biological parents in a low conflict household.
And study after study shows that children do just fine with same-sex parents.

Gay Marriage is pointless. It has no value.
And there it is. You don't see the value to you. It's all about you, isn't it?

I declare your marriage has no value. It means nothing to you, because I find it disgusting.
 
You keep claiming it's not true doesn't make it false

It is absolutely true, despite what your post-modernism gobbly-gook perception believes

everytime you post these lie people destroy it, when are you going to see educated honest objective people just dont buy it and they know its BS because we all have FACTS that make it BS while you have nothing to support your failed claim, nothing but "hu-huh"

lets us know when you have any facts to support your fallacy post, we'd love to read it
 
The Supreme Court has spoken on the subject

Gay Marriage is a very new concept. The reason why is because past generations had the sense to understand that it's not a good idea.

Two different Roman emperors had same sex marriages. Not all that "new".
 
What a pathetic......response which is no more relevant than if I cut my toenails in the improper way, I may end up with ingrown toenails.
What you fail to recognize is the consequences of changing LAW. And according to you all it takes is an emotional attachment to another person whether it be of the opposite sex or same sex to qualify to be defined as marriage. So if YOUR requirements are solely based on emotion, the love and desire to be with the one they love, then marriage is open to anyone who has an emotional love for another whether society is accepting of it or not.
You want to talk fallacy arguments well there is none bigger than the one you are proposing and is at the heart of every gay marriage argument.They are all based on emotion. So deal with it. And when the others come along that make you feel icky about offering them the same rights, you are going to have to deal with that also because people like you allowed it to happen.



No, you are playing the "might" game--if you do this, that "might" happen....nothing to do with your nasty toenails either.... We all have emotional bonds and you are trying to make it seem that everyone with emotional bonds are going to try to get married... What a ridiculous notion... Do you really want to marry your mother, your father, your aunt or uncle, your brother or your son or daughter? What a waste of brain cells...
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Well, I think one ...or two rather, should jump the broom, hand fast away... nobody is stopping them. Just do not expect it to be recognized by society. Nobody cares if you do that.



Where have you been? There are already many, many gay marriages and they "are" recognized by society..and they are happy and doing fine...
 
Gay "Marriage" is an inferior form of pretend marriage. It's a sham. It doesn't deserve to be in the same discussion as the tradition of marriage, which brings the opposite sexes together to form one union. From this union, new life is created with unique DNA, formed from the DNA of that child's biological parents. This all has significant social and economic purposes that are unique to this institution. Not the Frankenstein experiments that the LGBT community has to engage in to try and pass themselves off as "normal".

If that hurts your feelings I don't care. Live with it.



Unfortunately, some of you are living in your own delusional little world. It doesn't matter... There are many married gay couples already and first they got a "Marriage" license, and then they got a "Marriage" certificate..
 
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