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On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

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vesper said:
It doesn't matter if the consequences were reported through valid studies, through personal experiences, through statistics collected by the government You sure as hell ain't about to accept them cause your intolerant one minded self won't allow you to and instead of responding to such things it is easier to keep eluding that you have the "facts" and everyone else is full of ****. What a cop out. What a bogus façade you hide behind.
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There are NO "valid studies" that support your position in this debate.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
And that is the way it is...a 12 year old doesn't have the right to vote...hey, that's not equal right? Neither does a person that is not a citizen here...not equal either. You tell me, can I, a man, marry another man in most states? No, and neither can any other man, hetero or homosexual... that is not separate, that is exactly equal... we can eat at the same restaurant, use the same public toilets, drink out of the same fountains...

Just wondering, it "seeming" to be the same, you would have to explain to me how you view it as not having the same rights...
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I did.. Everyone----meaning American Adult Citizens----do not all have equality.. The law in some states segregates them by whom they love..
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
The building blocks of a strong nation are its families. Families are created through procreation, and you probably know about homosexual sex not being procreative sex. The strongest of families have a father and a mother. While it sounds all nice and touchy feely, it is less good to have single parenthood and it is lesser good to have same sex parents, for the children's sake. Also, marriage, which is a proven good thing in societies, is lessened, does not have its real meaning anymore, by this desire of homosexuals that everyone else to accept, be forced to accept, what many of us just do not, probably will never accept, as right, nor as good practice.

Just because somebody wants something, if it hurts the whole and in the long run, you have the strength to say no...just like a parent does with their children. Cookies before dinner, gonna kill a kid? No, but it is better for them to have an appetite and eat the proper things at dinner.
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The building blocks of a great nation are their freedoms....Many gay couples have children and a stable home environment just like heterosexual couples.. Didn't you know? Married couples are married couples. It means a commitment one to the other.. How can that possibly hurt you or your own marriage..?
 
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vesper said:
It doesn't matter if the consequences were reported through valid studies, through personal experiences, through statistics collected by the government You sure as hell ain't about to accept them cause your intolerant one minded self won't allow you to and instead of responding to such things it is easier to keep eluding that you have the "facts" and everyone else is full of ****. What a cop out. What a bogus façade you hide behind.
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id absolutely except them if they were FACTs but you have none, zero, not one though

the projection in your post is VERY obvious
lets us all know when you can post any facts to support your false claim

also heres some more questions your posts will fail at

explain to me how im the intolerant one since i want equal rights for gays and straights?
explain to me how im the ONE minded one since i want equal rights for BOTH gays and straights?

do you have any facts to support those two lies or is that just another failed post? id love to read them too, i actually cant wait to see what fantasy you post next
 
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Dragonfly said:
There are NO "valid studies" that support your position in this debate.
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It wouldn't matter what valid arguments I posted you wouldn't be satisfied with them. It could be the words from Buddha, Allah, the Jewish God or Jesus and you would still find fault with them. Ever since you viciously responded to EdwinWillers, post over the reason he does not accept same sex marriage, I understand what you are and that is one intolerant person. You have an agenda you are pursuing and are willing to trample on the beliefs of others to pursue that. But in doing so have shown many that the continuing increase of the violations in rights of conscience are real among people of faith. Because there are certainly an number of people out there just like you willing to trample them.

Now run off and see if you can't hand out another "like" to your bros who are just like you, I do believe I hear Agent J, Winston and Deuce calling you for another high five.
 
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Juanita said:
......and so? So it is the Law that counts...Some States ban SSM, some States allow it... Rule of Law...
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Well, I think most of us would go along with that, as long as it is law established by a duly elected legislature or by a vote of the people and not imposed on the people by a minority, justices in a judicial setting making the rules. That IS specifically NOT their job, they are only supposed to rule if something is unconstitutional or neutrally decide between two opposing parties, not to legislate from the bench.

And as long as the other states did not have to recognize what these other states have done.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
How did the lesbian couple figure that the state law overrides the constitutional religious protections of the bakery couple? They sure didn't mind discriminating against the bakery couples rights. Had they any tolerance at all, they would have just gone to another bakery down the street and not violated anybody's rights.

This one issue makes it clear for all to see, the gay rights issues are not all about "ending discrimination" or "equal rights" it's about supporting and legitimizing discrimination that they chose.
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Ummmm What are these "constitutional religious protections" that you speak of?
 
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Juanita said:
I did.. Everyone----meaning American Adult Citizens----do not all have equality.. The law in some states segregates them by whom they love..
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Segregates them by whom the love...whatever are you talking about.

So, an Adult American man should be able to marry his adult American daughter? That is what you are advocating, whether you know it or not...once the lines are erased...
 
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I posted this in response to a comment made by Bronson, I didn't want it to get buried in a bunch of BS and am reposting in hopes he sees it.

vesper said:
Since the definition of marriage is being changed, I'm going to place my bet on incest to be the next frontier.... after all the gay activists claim “Life comes down to who you love and who loves you back — government has no place in the middle.”


Shouldn’t that include committed incestuous relationships? If love and commitment are now the justification for marriage, why exempt this? The reason we don't allow incest relationships is because of the deformity in the children it can cause. But wait! Gay couples can't have children! So what's stopping them? A father with a son/step-son or a mother and a daughter/step daughter can't produce children.

I can see a real tax advantage to this also for If that were so, if I wanted to pass on my estate without death [taxes], I could marry my daughter and pass on my estate to her. After all if life comes down to who you love and who loves you back, if a father and son love each other so much they want to get married, there is little moral difference between two people of the same sex getting married who are not related and want to be and two people of the same sex who already are related becoming closer.
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Juanita said:
The building blocks of a great nation are their freedoms....Many gay couples have children and a stable home environment just like heterosexual couples.. Didn't you know? Married couples are married couples. It means a commitment one to the other.. How can that possibly hurt you or your own marriage..?
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its factually impossible, gay marriage itself will do no damage to other marriages

just like the marriage across the street can factually do no damage to mine

its BS to think otherwise
 
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Juanita said:
The building blocks of a great nation are their freedoms....Many gay couples have children and a stable home environment just like heterosexual couples.. Didn't you know? Married couples are married couples. It means a commitment one to the other.. How can that possibly hurt you or your own marriage..?
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Hurts society long term, confuses children about what is natural and what is unnatural, causes misery, angst, a mess that has no right being heaped upon the rest of us just because 2%, a minimal minority, wants to impose this silliness upon the rest of us, most of whom, if push came to shove, would really rather not have this bull on a stick stuck in our faces all the time...

Sorry to offend, but that is just the truth of the matter...
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
1.)Hurts society long term
2.) confuses children about what is natural and what is unnatural
3.) causes misery, angst
4.) a mess that has no right being heaped upon the rest of us just because 2%,
5.) a minimal minority
6.) wants to impose this silliness upon the rest of us
7.), most of whom, if push came to shove, would really rather not have this bull on a stick stuck in our faces all the time...
8.) Sorry to offend
9.), but that is just the truth of the matter...
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1.) false
2.) false
3.) false the bigotry of certain members in society will cause misery
4.) nothing is heaped on anybody
5.) yes citizens that have rights just like you
6.) what "silliness"
7.) what bull and its not being shoved in your face
8.) no offense taking at all
9.) do you have facts to support all your claims? otherwise theres no "truth" some of the things are factually wrong and others are your unsupportable opinion at best
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Hurts society long term, confuses children about what is natural and what is unnatural, causes misery, angst, a mess that has no right being heaped upon the rest of us just because 2%, a minimal minority, wants to impose this silliness upon the rest of us, most of whom, if push came to shove, would really rather not have this bull on a stick stuck in our faces all the time...

Sorry to offend, but that is just the truth of the matter...
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Nothing is being imposed on us anymore than my heterosexual relationship imposes anything on a homosexual relationship
 
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winston53660 said:
Nothing is being imposed on us anymore than my heterosexual relationship imposes anything on a homosexual relationship
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shhhhhhhh this type of common sense and facts like these will be ignored
 
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vesper said:
Yes I have been told that by others in this thread, you sound like a parrot. And just like all the other parrots you fail to acknowledge sometimes there really are slippery slopes. And just like the rest you come to the fight armed with a spoon.
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Of course there are slippery slopes. But what does incest have to do with homosexuality? That is where the breakdown in your logic occurs.
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Hurts society long term, confuses children about what is natural and what is unnatural, causes misery, angst, a mess that has no right being heaped upon the rest of us just because 2%, a minimal minority, wants to impose this silliness upon the rest of us, most of whom, if push came to shove, would really rather not have this bull on a stick stuck in our faces all the time...

Sorry to offend, but that is just the truth of the matter...
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Um...Canada. Has it suffered all these terrible things since it legalized same sex marriage? The problem with these kinds of arguments is that they fall apart when you actually look at the places where same sex marriage is legal.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) false false
2.) false false
3.) false the bigotry of certain members in society will cause misery false, the bigotry of certain members in society will cause misery
4.) nothing is heaped on anybody false
5.) yes citizens that have rights just like you exactly like me, already, thank you for agreeing
6.) what "silliness" figure it out, you seem quite bright enough
7.) what bull and its not being shoved in your face false
8.) no offense taking at all it is "taken" btw, well, cool by me...
9.) do you have facts to support all your claims? otherwise theres no "truth" some of the things are factually wrong and others are your unsupportable opinion at best of course, do you? No...and wrong, nearly always wrong, you got nothing, its a waste of time, that's why I generally do not even respond to your positions..all opinion, but at least you left out your ubiquitous "fail"s this time...
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Not even a nice try, so I give you back what you give...basically nothing.
 
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vesper said:
It doesn't matter if the consequences were reported through valid studies, through personal experiences, through statistics collected by the government You sure as hell ain't about to accept them cause your intolerant one minded self won't allow you to and instead of responding to such things it is easier to keep eluding that you have the "facts" and everyone else is full of ****. What a cop out. What a bogus façade you hide behind.
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How many gay couples or gay people do you actually know?
 
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CriticalThought said:
Um...Canada. Has it suffered all these terrible things since it legalized same sex marriage? The problem with these kinds of arguments is that they fall apart when you actually look at the places where same sex marriage is legal.
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Give it more time, we certainly have not had this silliness around long enough to see its actual effects. Cancers, if you catch them soon enough, can be ameliorated...let it spread all over and you get a lot of misery and...just does not end well.

So we should cordon off these areas, quarantine those that are infected, study the voluntary cancer as it progresses, yet keep it from spreading, infecting the rest of wise societies, ones who apprehend the understanding of the problem as determined by those wise in the past. Accept tolerance, we believe in tolerance... but condoning such practices, allowing their encouragement... goes too far.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Of course there are slippery slopes. But what does incest have to do with homosexuality? That is where the breakdown in your logic occurs.
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No it doesn't breakdown. when you stop looking at changing the definition of marriage with tunnel vision and start focusing on the "what if''s" with a little more peripheral vision you can see with greater vision what the results could be in redefining marriage.

Critical Thought, if you are a male, then it is common knowledge that males tend to see things using tunnel vision. That is of course until they are with their wives and this sweet thing walks pasts them that they desire a second look. Then they rely heavily on their peripheral vision because their head is locked in the straight forward position so not to give away to their wife that they are indeed enjoying the view. A little more peripheral vision Critical Thought in the results of redefining marriage. Incest for gays would be a slam dunk! After all at this point the moral compass has been flushed down the toilet!
 
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EdwinWillers said:
It is rather intriguing though just how racist the homosexual lobby can become if they think it aids their cause. (no pun intended).
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You purposely signaled out aids out of that sentence. You definitely intended that pun. Do you know how puns work?
 
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vesper said:
No it doesn't breakdown. when you stop looking at changing the definition of marriage with tunnel vision and start focusing on the "what if''s" with a little more peripheral vision you can see with greater vision what the results could be in redefining marriage.

Critical Thought, if you are a male, then it is common knowledge that males tend to see things using tunnel vision. That is of course until the are with their wives and this sweet thing walks pasts them that they desire a second look. Then they rely heavily on their peripheral vision because their head is locked in the straight forward position so not to give away to their wife that they are indeed enjoying the view. A little more peripheral vision Critical Thought in the results of redefining marriage. Incest for gays would be a slam dunk! After all at this point the moral compass has been flushed down the toilet!
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Wasn't it people like you who thought the moral compass was flushed down the toilet when races started intermingling?
 
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vesper said:
It wouldn't matter what valid arguments I posted you wouldn't be satisfied with them. It could be the words from Buddha, Allah, the Jewish God or Jesus and you would still find fault with them. Ever since you viciously responded to EdwinWillers, post over the reason he does not accept same sex marriage, I understand what you are and that is one intolerant person. You have an agenda you are pursuing and are willing to trample on the beliefs of others to pursue that. But in doing so have shown many that the continuing increase of the violations in rights of conscience are real among people of faith. Because there are certainly an number of people out there just like you willing to trample them.

Now run off and see if you can't hand out another "like" to your bros who are just like you, I do believe I hear Agent J, Winston and Deuce calling you for another high five.
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Where in the constitution does it say that you have a "right" of conscience? That phrase just tickles the hell out me...
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Well, I think most of us would go along with that, as long as it is law established by a duly elected legislature or by a vote of the people and not imposed on the people by a minority, justices in a judicial setting making the rules. That IS specifically NOT their job, they are only supposed to rule if something is unconstitutional or neutrally decide between two opposing parties, not to legislate from the bench.

And as long as the other states did not have to recognize what these other states have done.
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I suppose that banning SSM was not imposed on the people of those states...
 
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