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On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Not deflecting at all

If you have a different definition than the Dictionary than feel free to provide it. Otherwise I'm not really sure what you are trying to debate.


You certainly are deflecting. Obnoxiously so.

You said sodomy was deviant and barbaric. I quoted you on that.

I asked you to define sodomy.

You tend to use that word a lot when the subject is about gay rights and/or gay marriage.


Sodomy has NOTHING to do with gay anything.

The absolute vast majority of straight people actively and enthusiastically partake in "sodomy" quite often.

I'd be willing to bet you're a gigantic liar if you'd state you've never been involved in any kind of sodomy.

Sodomy is oral sex and anal sex.

In case you're just entirely ignorant of life in general, neither is barbaric or deviant.

The definition of deviant is basically "not normal", which means that anyone who has not partaken in oral sex is more than likely the deviant.


Straight people the world over are actively and enthusiastically engaging in both oral and anal sex every single day. Have been since the dawn of time.

To suggest that what straight people do in a loving and committed relationship/marriage is deviant and barbaric is asinine and absurd.


So what's YOUR definition of "sodomy"?

Or are you going to deflect yet again?
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

You heard it here, folks: same-sex marriage is going to DESTROY AMERICA

Didn't they say the same thing regarding those two people that got married...where was that now?....Virginia?.......
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

The apocalypse will be fabulous.

The plan is going according to plan fabulously
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

So what?

Marriage as an institution has specific social and economic purposes. It was never created so cater to all sexual behavior/tastes/desires

Using your measuring stick anything goes. Anyone can marry whatever they "desire"

What's your point.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

NO.....I CANNOT. Neither can you, neither can anybody, not without the others consent first of all. And at this time you cannot be of the same sex, you cannot be related, you have to be of age...blah blah blah... you have not thought this out very thoroughly, that can easily be seen.

They have additional restrictions that you do not, you are being held up at a special class.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

I fear losing my rights of conscience. It's happening to people everyday under the guise of sexual discrimination. And now that traditional marriage is no longer the mearsure, all practices are free game.

No one can take away your conscience. Except you.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

No one can take away your conscience. Except you.

Well the State of Oregon is doing what they can to do just that with their re-education program. Big brother is alive and very well in that state.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

I fear losing my rights of conscience. It's happening to people everyday under the guise of sexual discrimination. And now that traditional marriage is no longer the mearsure, all practices are free game.

Personally, I applaud you for being open about what you fear. I support gay marriage 100% but recognize when someone has stepped up to the plate and owned there position in it's entirety. Having said that, if you could find some reassurance that the loss of your "rights to your conscience" was not an objective or an unlikely outcome would it make a difference?
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

It's really a very simple issue guys. Can any two adults get a license from that state that when signed properly and by an authority binds them to each other for life? The answer is not everywhere yet in the US, but not for much longer. Once they can, they are equal in practice not just theory.

Oh yes...

open those flood gates, open wide...now bend over....now say ah, " aaaaahhhhhhhh...ahhhhhhhHHHhhhhhhh...!!!

Let all of them evil genies outta those bottles, the multitudinous Pandoras flowing freely from their myriad boxes.


'Specially if we been 'round long as you fellas say we've been, these innate little evils we spent eons on, we went several rungs up the "evolutionary" ladder to attempt to encase, capture to keep us from hurting us. All cultures pretty uniform in the thinking, almost, if not, universal among the many lands. Why has history not really allowed this? Have to give it at least a little wonder... why? Right? :poke

And some didn't follow the norm, whatever happened then? Read your histories, you know what I'm gonna tell you, but shouldn't just take my word for it...check for yourself.

If you've already done that then...sooo...

You'd toss the wisdom of the ages...?? Not usually a particularly wise policy. One can think, no doubt, of the former faulty wisdoms of the ages properly tossed, Racism/slavery being a, if not the, major one of those.

This is not that. Lines drawn, prudently, logically, nearly all societies in the past, at least while successful. The ones that have so far survived, concluding the way of the too much desired is not all that much society-effective. Fraught with too many instances where it is definitely the less prudent way. Family ends up meaning less and less, not beginning meaningless but on that path, heavily the path to be discounted to attract more, ummm, exotic of the traverlers.

Should society strive to build the best foundational blocks for the future, not give into known fatal weaknesses? That, in all probablity, will do the least, probably far least, harm long term. Civilization is one of rising, up, reaching pinnacle then down. We would probably do better to guess we have yet to reach our pinnacle, though we have already done quite well. I think I could confidently say better, up to this point, or almost this point, than anyone ever in the history of the planet. One should not start to even think of looking down, that surely means a fall. Pick out any of the astronomical number of rises and falls, at any and all levels: families, tribes, clans, villages, states, empires, corporations, churches, political parties, apparently its inevitable... but always better to keep striving ahead, upwards, staying strong, keeping to the basics of what brought you this very far...at least minimally, or one logically will begin to sink.

Morality, listen close to the founders, is simply a necessity. To be moral you have to have one, a morality. Not sliding scales sliding inevitably downward, nobody allowed to even to know which way would be up, that being discriminatory all being now "equal" you see.

Has modern man been given everything only to then end up wanting even more... to the point of too much? Have we not even the scantiest ability at self restraint, must we plunge feet first into the rabbit hole, down into the fog of more chaotic elements, through the various rings, Dante nodding us along... And I well know that does, indeed, look as much like up as anything else to you, but....

Wwwhy? Its just... kinda a dumb position. You cannot accept acceptance, just gotta push it, huh? I guess that is human nature, too. ....But, back back in this brand new comfy airtight canister we made just for the occasion now, sorry...gotta be done...you know, for the collective [ that should make you feel a bit better anyhow ]...

Whew...did my good work for the day...ha ha ha :inandout:
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

You didn't hear about the manic riots looting food hoarding gasoline shortages that happened in MA when gay marriage became legal there!

Have you seen the devastation, turmoil, and utter chaos going on in the Netherlands, New Zealand, and Canada????

It's disgusting and frightening.

Zombies are eating babies right from the womb. Dogs and cats are mating in the streets. It's hell.......HELL.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Really? Will you feel the same when NAMBLA will no longer be allowed to be "discriminated" against? After all isn't that sexual discrimination too?
Can't wait to see you chime in with glee on that one WHEN it happens.

LMAO, as soon as anybody brings up pedophilia, child rape and or bestiality and try to compare it to equal rights for gays its an instant failure. Its the fastest way not to be taken seriously and nobody honest, educated and objective falls for it. Its hilarious anybody thinks that comparison would ever work,

Its a failed stawman.

its reminds me of the bigots in history, well if we let women vote we might as well let dogs vote, if we let the coons be men, my horse might as well be a man too.

and the funny thing is your comic PROVES how failed of analogy it is, you must not understand the comic you posted
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Well the State of Oregon is doing what they can to do just that with their re-education program. Big brother is alive and very well in that state.

Be an active parent and the public school cannot "re-educate" your kids.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

I fear losing my rights of conscience. It's happening to people everyday under the guise of sexual discrimination. And now that traditional marriage is no longer the mearsure, all practices are free game.

"Traditional marriage" has changed several times. Does this mean "all practices are free game?"

I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why people think this "immorality" is the final straw that opens up every awful thing you can come up with.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

You heard it here, folks: same-sex marriage is going to DESTROY AMERICA
Nah....Nope, didn't say that at all.

Because you see, we are gonna stop all that ;)...ha ha ha... think we are incompetent enough to let this good be destroyed? What, you think we think that liberally? You thought wrong....Ha ha ha again....:lamo:rwbelepha
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

You certainly are deflecting. Obnoxiously so.

You said sodomy was deviant and barbaric. I quoted you on that.

I asked you to define sodomy.

You tend to use that word a lot when the subject is about gay rights and/or gay marriage.


Sodomy has NOTHING to do with gay anything.

The absolute vast majority of straight people actively and enthusiastically partake in "sodomy" quite often.

I'd be willing to bet you're a gigantic liar if you'd state you've never been involved in any kind of sodomy.

Sodomy is oral sex and anal sex.

In case you're just entirely ignorant of life in general, neither is barbaric or deviant.

The definition of deviant is basically "not normal", which means that anyone who has not partaken in oral sex is more than likely the deviant.


Straight people the world over are actively and enthusiastically engaging in both oral and anal sex every single day. Have been since the dawn of time.

To suggest that what straight people do in a loving and committed relationship/marriage is deviant and barbaric is asinine and absurd.


So what's YOUR definition of "sodomy"?

Or are you going to deflect yet again?

It took you 5 posts to build this House of Cards?

Sodomy is sodomy. The fact that the couple might otherwise care for each other deeply is irrelevant. Sodomy is bestial, animal behavior. Animals do it in the wild for irrational reasons. Rapes in prisons are done for dominance in most instances. Not pleasure. It's considered a form of torture. Watch the movie American Me. They don't put that broom handle up there because they love him. You've been watching too much porn.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Nope, we got the same restrictions...sorry...

Civil "rights" are about having the same rights not the same restrictions. Homosexual men and woman do not have the same rights and they have additional restrictions.

You deny my point but offer no counter argument, this does not make your rebuttal convincing. Explain please.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

I love how equal rights enrage some people but none the less, equality is winning and spreading like wild fire and discrimination is losing. Id say 5 years max before this is national.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

"Traditional marriage" has changed several times. Does this mean "all practices are free game?"

I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding why people think this "immorality" is the final straw that opens up every awful thing you can come up with.

Well Deuce here are few things to consider if you are willing to be honest with yourself.

Do you remember the first Safe School Czar Obama appointed? His name was Jennings. Jennings is a homosexual. He started GLSEN. (Gay Lesbian, Straight Education Network) Some of the reading material GLSEN organization promotes as good reading material for 7th graders amounts to gay porn. The story broke a few years ago when someone took the time to investage the books on the list that Jennings himself promoted and were shocked because these books ended up on the shelves of many schools across the country. They promoted boy man relationships. Here are a couple of links but mind you GLSEN after they were exposed have "sanitized" their links to such books. But it didn't sanitize all of those who reported on it.

Breaking: Obama's "Safe Schools Czar" Is Promoting Child Porn in the Classroom– Kevin Jennings and the GLSEN Reading List | The Gateway Pundit



Obama's Safe Schools Czar Tied to Lewd Readings for 7th Graders | Fox News



Shortly after this story made its way to the press, Jennings was replaced.

Then there is the issue of Nambla and the Democrat party. Do you know who Harry Hays was? Some call him the father of the movement for homosexuality. Harry Hays played the sweet innocent Grandpa on the series called the Walton's. Harry had strong ties to Nambla and with a little searching you can verify that one. He and those of Nambla would often take part in the gay pride parade in San Francisco until once again investigative reporters outed them and just recently they were banned from the festivities. But not before reporters could link Nancy Pelosi marching in the same gay parade with Harry Hay.

The American Spectator : When Nancy Met Harry

Democrats

So the real concern that the laws are being made so weak over discrimination that there's a real threat that someday we will all be forced to accept the practices of NAMBLA and other sexual orientations most would never agree to but in the near future become the new norm.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Oh yes...

open those flood gates, open wide...now bend over....now say ah, " aaaaahhhhhhhh...ahhhhhhhHHHhhhhhhh...!!!

Let all of them evil genies outta those bottles, the multitudinous Pandoras flowing freely from their myriad boxes.


'Specially if we been 'round long as you fellas say we've been, these innate little evils we spent eons on, we went several rungs up the "evolutionary" ladder to attempt to encase, capture to keep us from hurting us. All cultures pretty uniform in the thinking, almost, if not, universal among the many lands. Why has history not really allowed this? Have to give it at least a little wonder... why? Right? :poke

And some didn't follow the norm, whatever happened then? Read your histories, you know what I'm gonna tell you, but shouldn't just take my word for it...check for yourself.

If you've already done that then...sooo...

You'd toss the wisdom of the ages...?? Not usually a particularly wise policy. One can think, no doubt, of the former faulty wisdoms of the ages properly tossed, Racism/slavery being a, if not the, major one of those.

This is not that. Lines drawn, prudently, logically, nearly all societies in the past, at least while successful. The ones that have so far survived, concluding the way of the too much desired is not all that much society-effective. Fraught with too many instances where it is definitely the less prudent way. Family ends up meaning less and less, not beginning meaningless but on that path, heavily the path to be discounted to attract more, ummm, exotic of the traverlers.

Should society strive to build the best foundational blocks for the future, not give into known fatal weaknesses? That, in all probablity, will do the least, probably far least, harm long term. Civilization is one of rising, up, reaching pinnacle then down. We would probably do better to guess we have yet to reach our pinnacle, though we have already done quite well. I think I could confidently say better, up to this point, or almost this point, than anyone ever in the history of the planet. One should not start to even think of looking down, that surely means a fall. Pick out any of the astronomical number of rises and falls, at any and all levels: families, tribes, clans, villages, states, empires, corporations, churches, political parties, apparently its inevitable... but always better to keep striving ahead, upwards, staying strong, keeping to the basics of what brought you this very far...at least minimally, or one logically will begin to sink.

Morality, listen close to the founders, is simply a necessity. To be moral you have to have one, a morality. Not sliding scales sliding inevitably downward, nobody allowed to even to know which way would be up, that being discriminatory all being now "equal" you see.

Has modern man been given everything only to then end up wanting even more... to the point of too much? Have we not even the scantiest ability at self restraint, must we plunge feet first into the rabbit hole, down into the fog of more chaotic elements, through the various rings, Dante nodding us along... And I well know that does, indeed, look as much like up as anything else to you, but....

Wwwhy? Its just... kinda a dumb position. You cannot accept acceptance, just gotta push it, huh? I guess that is human nature, too. ....But, back back in this brand new comfy airtight canister we made just for the occasion now, sorry...gotta be done...you know, for the collective [ that should make you feel a bit better anyhow ]...

Whew...did my good work for the day...ha ha ha :inandout:
All those words. I read the first 11, that was enough.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Nope, it'll go on until the nation dies. In all 50 states a brother and sister still cannot get a marriage license. Oh the humanity! :roll:
You sure? I bet they can, if they don't say anything.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Well Deuce here are few things to consider if you are willing to be honest with yourself.

Do you remember the first Safe School Czar Obama appointed? His name was Jennings. Jennings is a homosexual. He started GLSEN. (Gay Lesbian, Straight Education Network) Some of the reading material GLSEN organization promotes as good reading material for 7th graders amounts to gay porn. The story broke a few years ago when someone took the time to investage the books on the list that Jennings himself promoted and were shocked because these books ended up on the shelves of many schools across the country. They promoted boy man relationships. Here are a couple of links but mind you GLSEN after they were exposed have "sanitized" their links to such books. But it didn't sanitize all of those who reported on it.

Breaking: Obama's "Safe Schools Czar" Is Promoting Child Porn in the Classroom– Kevin Jennings and the GLSEN Reading List | The Gateway Pundit



Obama's Safe Schools Czar Tied to Lewd Readings for 7th Graders | Fox News



Shortly after this story made its way to the press, Jennings was replaced.

Then there is the issue of Nambla and the Democrat party. Do you know who Harry Hays was? Some call him the father of the movement for homosexuality. Harry Hays played the sweet innocent Grandpa on the series called the Walton's. Harry had strong ties to Nambla and with a little searching you can verify that one. He and those of Nambla would often take part in the gay pride parade in San Francisco until once again investigative reporters outed them and just recently they were banned from the festivities. But not before reporters could link Nancy Pelosi marching in the same gay parade with Harry Hay.

The American Spectator : When Nancy Met Harry

Democrats

So the real concern that the laws are being made so weak over discrimination that there's a real threat that someday we will all be forced to accept the practices of NAMBLA and other sexual orientations most would never agree to but in the near future become the new norm.

:roll Still dodging the issue. Why same-sex marriage? Why is same-sex marriage this unique, final straw that destroys every form of morality? Why do I have to accept pedophilia because I support same-sex marriage? Why don't I have to accept pedophilia because I accept the legalization of marijuana? Or women getting the right to vote? Or no longer being literal property of their husbands? Or interracial marriage? That was this terrifying immorality that was tearing at the fabric of society too.

You support interracial marriage rights, yes? How come that wasn't a slippery slope to pedophilia and bestiality and all the other bull**** you keep trying to compare homosexuals too?

Why is homosexuality immoral at all?
 
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