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On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

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What makes you think in twenty years NAMBLA won't be seen as the new normal?

Because we're not morons.

Well, most of us aren't.
 
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Yeah, that's not likely to happen. Consent is the issue there. I'd drop that one, it's a strawman.
Yeah, when I was growing up I would have said the very same thing about Gay marriage, even about Gay tolerance...but we know how that has turned out...so you can go play the lotto with those kind of predictions and see how you end up...

All one has to do is lower the age of consent...think that cannot be done...easily? In Chile the age of consent is currently, for male female relationships, a measly 12 years old, in Spain its 13, in Canada its 14... with the full court press of the LBGT, NAMBLA and friends over the next twenty years, who knows...these are fungible civil rights, especially as your folks are constantly blurring, erasing and always redrawing the lines, liberal relativism has no foundation, no moral compass with which to guide us steadily into the future...so who knows who may be the Chris Columbus discovering the currently uncharted islands of man-boy love in the future... and declaring it legal?

Who knows? Only the shadow knows, and that dark shadow is rapidly being cast across this country by the left...
 
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I our society is willing to allow an underaged girl to seek an abortion without a parent's consent how far of a stretch would it be? Not far.
No, it's a total stretch. And in most of the country you need a note from mom or dad, or both, or from the court if you are under 18.
 
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I understand and acknowledge that the author is drawing a parallel between the black civil rights movement and today's homosexual rights movement. That's clear, but that's also my point.

Yes, this nation was (and perhaps still is in some ways) divided on the black civil rights issue.
And yes, this nation is dividing on the homosexual issue.

My point is that it is not only improper to attempt a parallel between black civil rights and homosexual rights, it's also inordinately disrespectful (imho) of the former. What you have is a group of people attempting to distinguish themselves solely on the basis of their sexual preference and at the same time draw identic parallels with a group distinguished by the color of their skin. I don't believe it's proper to draw such parallels, let alone equate sexual preference with skin color. In fact, I believe it's disrespectful.

You assume that there is an implication of equal atrocities and I think this assumption is in err. If may husband slaps me or denies me the right to go out or tries to intimidate me with threats I am an abused wife, if my sisters husband beats her on a nightly basis she is also an abused wife. Her experience is more traumatic but it is still abuse and her experience is not disrespected because I call myself abused also.
 
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University of Central Florida, Universidad de Catolica, Quito, Ecuador, Harvard Grad School, Rollins Graduate Studies...

But that has little to do with whether or not one can or cannot debate. Did they teach you mainly only ad hominems at Stanford, did they? Does not say much for the program as ad homs are not really debating... you know?


Congratulations.

Now tell me some actual rational reasons for denying homosexuals equal rights or explain what homosexuals do that is inherently wrong.
 
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Yeah, when I was growing up I would have said the very same thing about Gay marriage, even about Gay tolerance...but we know how that has turned out...so you can go play the lotto with those kind of predictions and see how you end up...

All one has to do is lower the age of consent...think that cannot be done...easily? In Chile the age of consent is currently, for male female relationships, a measly 12 years old, in Spain its 13, in Canada its 14... with the full court press of the LBGT, NAMBLA and friends over the next twenty years, who knows...these are fungible civil rights, especially as your folks are constantly blurring, erasing and always redrawing the lines, liberal relativism has no foundation, no moral compass with which to guide us steadily into the future...so who knows who may be the Chris Columbus discovering the currently uncharted islands of man-boy love in the future... and declaring it legal?

Who knows? Only the shadow knows, and that dark shadow is rapidly being cast across this country by the left...
If you lower the age of consent you solve the consent problem and what they do becomes legal. That is different than using your slippery slope argument that soon even NAMBLA will be legal because gays now have full rights to act as other adults do. You seem to think there are no longer any limits and there are.
 
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It is rather intriguing though just how racist the homosexual lobby can become if they think it aids their cause. (no pun intended).

I think italicizing the word and then claiming that no pun was intended was tasteless and demonstrated extraordinary contempt on your part. To bring up a sensitive aspect of a disease that kills gay and straight people alike to make an unnecessary jab like that says a lot about your character as a human being.
 
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No, it's a total stretch. And in most of the country you need a note from mom or dad, or both, or from the court if you are under 18.

I thought it was a total stretch that they would be able to change the law allowing a child to get an abortion without the parents knowing too. But it happened
 
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Are you suggesting that allowing gays to marry in a socially and legally accepted manner would result in the total self-destruction of the USofA??????

Would you have said the same thing about a white woman marrying a black man about 50 years ago?

Total destruction? Perhaps not. It being any semblance of what is even currently the norm, no, not a chance if we keep on slipping the knot of what is moral and good. This will be one of the weakest, most feeble and most messed up countries in the world in 20 years if we keep apace with the last 20. Because everyone will then believe in the concept of believing in everything, which means ultimately means we would believe in nothing. Surely nothing worth standing up and fighting for. And so, yes, maybe even the total destruction... depends on how fast and how many of the other countries go down with us...

Would I have said the same thing about a white woman marrying a black man about 50 years ago?

No, have you not been reading the threat at all...dontcha just hate it when someone comes into a conversation halfway through and has no clue what went on before...that might be generally acceptable when speaking, as one usually cannot go back and retrieve...here it is unforgivable unless you have like 15 or more pages to read to understand the thread...but here you most certainly can go back a read, its not that hard...
 
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I thought it was a total stretch that they would be able to change the law allowing a child to get an abortion without the parents knowing too. But it happened
We are always searching for balance but that's the point, it's a not a free-for-all.
 
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Congratulations.

Now tell me some actual rational reasons for denying homosexuals equal rights or explain what homosexuals do that is inherently wrong.
I will probably not spend a whole lot of time with you as one can immediately tell who is going to actually debate and who will not. I will start with this and see how you counter. If its just the ad hom calls of bigotry...bye bye...

We currently have the exact same rights [ that would be equality ]. I, a hetero, cannot marry another man in my state, neither could another man, be they homo or hetero; a woman cannot marry another woman, the exact same. Equality. You are advocating for special rights...sorry.
 
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We are always searching for balance but that's the point, it's a not a free-for-all.

With all the new laws being established over gay marriage including those of discrimination against sexual orientation that are denying a person their rights of conscience to deny a service over personal conviction will play a big part in ushering in the rights of other sexual orientations most never thought possible.
 
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I will probably not spend a whole lot of time with you as one can immediately tell who is going to actually debate and who will not. I will start with this and see how you counter. If its just the ad hom calls of bigotry...bye bye...

We currently have the exact same rights [ that would be equality ]. I, a hetero, cannot marry another man in my state, neither could another man, be they homo or hetero; a woman cannot marry another woman, the exact same. Equality. You are advocating for special rights...sorry.
That part is equal but not the part about marrying the person you love, just the two of you, both unmarried and over 18 years of age. By chance, can you tell me of another state-issued license that requires one to be a man and one to be a woman?
 
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With all the new laws being established over gay marriage including those of discrimination against sexual orientation that are denying a person their rights of conscience in denying a service over personal conviction will play a big part in ushering in the rights of other sexual orientations most never thought possible.

We'll see, but all will have the same basic questions, are they on an equal legal standing and can their partners consent?
 
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If you lower the age of consent you solve the consent problem and what they do becomes legal. That is different than using your slippery slope argument that soon even NAMBLA will be legal because gays now have full rights to act as other adults do. You seem to think there are no longer any limits and there are.
Oh, I didn't preclude that being an argument, too... I think many groups, using the 14th Amendment equal protection clause, will do just that...and what will be the legal defense? I mean, you let "that group" do it, which gave them special rights [ we all having equal rights as it exists now, at least in the states that do not allow SSM ], so it would be discriminatory to disallow my group...

Once you erase the hard fast lines, you never know where it will go finally.

There are limits only as long as those of us that are putting our fingers in the dike [ no pun intended ] keep trying to keep the dam from collapsing... until we can get some small respite from this constant damn busting, these attempts to take down the steady bulwarks of a good society. If we can catch a breath we will come back, repair the damage already done so our posterity can have things at least as good as we had it handed down to us.
 
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Oh, I didn't preclude that being an argument, too... I think many groups, using the 14th Amendment equal protection clause, will do just that...and what will be the legal defense? I mean, you let "that group" do it, which gave them special rights [ we all having equal rights as it exists now, at least in the states that do not allow SSM ], so it would be discriminatory to disallow my group...

Once you erase the hard fast lines, you never know where it will go finally.

There are limits only as long as those of us that are putting our fingers in the dike [ no pun intended ] keep trying to keep the dam from collapsing... until we can get some small respite from this constant damn busting, these attempts to take down the steady bulwarks of a good society. If we can catch a breath we will come back, repair the damage already done so our posterity can have things at least as good as we had it handed down to us.
People always believe society is going down the tubes. That's because it changes and people fear, and hate, change.
 
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I will probably not spend a whole lot of time with you as one can immediately tell who is going to actually debate and who will not. I will start with this and see how you counter. If its just the ad hom calls of bigotry...bye bye...

We currently have the exact same rights [ that would be equality ]. I, a hetero, cannot marry another man in my state, neither could another man, be they homo or hetero; a woman cannot marry another woman, the exact same. Equality. You are advocating for special rights...sorry.

You can marry whom you desire. They can not.
 
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That's nice to see. It makes living in those barbaric states that oppose gay rights a little more tolerable.
 
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People always believe society is going down the tubes. That's because it changes and people fear, and hate, change.

Change is not always progress. Not always good.

One only has to look at the consequences and results of the last 5 years of "Hope and Change"

That's nice to see. It makes living in those barbaric states that oppose gay rights a little more tolerable.

Sodomy is what is barbaric and deviant
 
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That part is equal but not the part about marrying the person you love, just the two of you, both unmarried and over 18 years of age. By chance, can you tell me of another state-issued license that requires one to be a man and one to be a woman?
I cannot just marry the person I love either...lots of restrictions for all of us...that is life.

If we change things you may not have to be unmarried, I mean polygamist will want in on all the good fortune that the SSM folks want... I mean, that would be equality and all those struggles are struggles for civil rights, and they are all the same, right? And we only arbitrarily make the age 18, why not lower it to 10, right? And what even if that adheres, say your mother divorces your father and you are 18? You could love and marry either, right? Or, if you allow polygamy and polyandry, you could marry them both. Or your sister, or your son or daughter...or your brother...where will it end, because you know all these groups that will, indeed want that, will scream bloody murder and you will have to accept it under equal protection if marrying the one, or the many, you love is the only prerequisite.

What does state licenses in other areas have to do with this? Why would that have to be for this one to be valid? The sun is the only sun we have...for it to be valid must there be another in our solar system? No.
 
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You can marry whom you desire. They can not.

So what?

Marriage as an institution has specific social and economic purposes. It was never created so cater to all sexual behavior/tastes/desires

Using your measuring stick anything goes. Anyone can marry whatever they "desire"
 
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You can marry whom you desire. They can not.

NO.....I CANNOT. Neither can you, neither can anybody, not without the others consent first of all. And at this time you cannot be of the same sex, you cannot be related, you have to be of age...blah blah blah... you have not thought this out very thoroughly, that can easily be seen.
 
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People always believe society is going down the tubes. That's because it changes and people fear, and hate, change.
Yeah, and sometimes it is going down the tubes...Look at the various empires of the past...Rome for instance, think it didnt go down the tubes... are you a Nero watching and fiddling :violin as Rome burns?
 
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I cannot just marry the person I love either...lots of restrictions for all of us...that is life.

If we change things you may not have to be unmarried, I mean polygamist will want in on all the good fortune that the SSM folks want... I mean, that would be equality and all those struggles are struggles for civil rights, and they are all the same, right? And we only arbitrarily make the age 18, why not lower it to 10, right? And what even if that adheres, say your mother divorces your father and you are 18? You could love and marry either, right? Or, if you allow polygamy and polyandry, you could marry them both. Or your sister, or your son or daughter...or your brother...where will it end, because you know all these groups that will, indeed want that, will scream bloody murder and you will have to accept it under equal protection if marrying the one, or the many, you love is the only prerequisite.

What does state licenses in other areas have to do with this? Why would that have to be for this one to be valid? The sun is the only sun we have...for it to be valid must there be another in our solar system? No.
It's really a very simple issue guys. Can any two adults get a license from that state that when signed properly and by an authority binds them to each other for life? The answer is not everywhere yet in the US, but not for much longer. Once they can, they are equal in practice not just theory.
 
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Yeah, and sometimes it is going down the tubes...Look at the various empires of the past...Rome for instance, think it didnt go down the tubes... are you a Nero watching and fiddling :violin as Rome burns?

Rome lasted about 700 years. Check back with me in 480 and we'll see how things are going.
 
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