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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yeah, when I was growing up I would have said the very same thing about Gay marriage, even about Gay tolerance...but we know how that has turned out...so you can go play the lotto with those kind of predictions and see how you end up...

    All one has to do is lower the age of consent...think that cannot be done...easily? In Chile the age of consent is currently, for male female relationships, a measly 12 years old, in Spain its 13, in Canada its 14... with the full court press of the LBGT, NAMBLA and friends over the next twenty years, who knows...these are fungible civil rights, especially as your folks are constantly blurring, erasing and always redrawing the lines, liberal relativism has no foundation, no moral compass with which to guide us steadily into the future...so who knows who may be the Chris Columbus discovering the currently uncharted islands of man-boy love in the future... and declaring it legal?

    Who knows? Only the shadow knows, and that dark shadow is rapidly being cast across this country by the left...
    If you lower the age of consent you solve the consent problem and what they do becomes legal. That is different than using your slippery slope argument that soon even NAMBLA will be legal because gays now have full rights to act as other adults do. You seem to think there are no longer any limits and there are.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

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    It is rather intriguing though just how racist the homosexual lobby can become if they think it aids their cause. (no pun intended).
    I think italicizing the word and then claiming that no pun was intended was tasteless and demonstrated extraordinary contempt on your part. To bring up a sensitive aspect of a disease that kills gay and straight people alike to make an unnecessary jab like that says a lot about your character as a human being.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    No, it's a total stretch. And in most of the country you need a note from mom or dad, or both, or from the court if you are under 18.
    I thought it was a total stretch that they would be able to change the law allowing a child to get an abortion without the parents knowing too. But it happened

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Are you suggesting that allowing gays to marry in a socially and legally accepted manner would result in the total self-destruction of the USofA??????

    Would you have said the same thing about a white woman marrying a black man about 50 years ago?
    Total destruction? Perhaps not. It being any semblance of what is even currently the norm, no, not a chance if we keep on slipping the knot of what is moral and good. This will be one of the weakest, most feeble and most messed up countries in the world in 20 years if we keep apace with the last 20. Because everyone will then believe in the concept of believing in everything, which means ultimately means we would believe in nothing. Surely nothing worth standing up and fighting for. And so, yes, maybe even the total destruction... depends on how fast and how many of the other countries go down with us...

    Would I have said the same thing about a white woman marrying a black man about 50 years ago?

    No, have you not been reading the threat at all...[I]dontcha just hate it when someone comes into a conversation halfway through and has no clue what went on before...that might be generally acceptable when speaking, as one usually cannot go back and retrieve...here it is unforgivable unless you have like 15 or more pages to read to understand the thread...but here you most certainly can go back a read, its not that hard...
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I thought it was a total stretch that they would be able to change the law allowing a child to get an abortion without the parents knowing too. But it happened
    We are always searching for balance but that's the point, it's a not a free-for-all.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Congratulations.

    Now tell me some actual rational reasons for denying homosexuals equal rights or explain what homosexuals do that is inherently wrong.
    I will probably not spend a whole lot of time with you as one can immediately tell who is going to actually debate and who will not. I will start with this and see how you counter. If its just the ad hom calls of bigotry...bye bye...

    We currently have the exact same rights [ that would be equality ]. I, a hetero, cannot marry another man in my state, neither could another man, be they homo or hetero; a woman cannot marry another woman, the exact same. Equality. You are advocating for special rights...sorry.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    We are always searching for balance but that's the point, it's a not a free-for-all.
    With all the new laws being established over gay marriage including those of discrimination against sexual orientation that are denying a person their rights of conscience to deny a service over personal conviction will play a big part in ushering in the rights of other sexual orientations most never thought possible.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I will probably not spend a whole lot of time with you as one can immediately tell who is going to actually debate and who will not. I will start with this and see how you counter. If its just the ad hom calls of bigotry...bye bye...

    We currently have the exact same rights [ that would be equality ]. I, a hetero, cannot marry another man in my state, neither could another man, be they homo or hetero; a woman cannot marry another woman, the exact same. Equality. You are advocating for special rights...sorry.
    That part is equal but not the part about marrying the person you love, just the two of you, both unmarried and over 18 years of age. By chance, can you tell me of another state-issued license that requires one to be a man and one to be a woman?

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    With all the new laws being established over gay marriage including those of discrimination against sexual orientation that are denying a person their rights of conscience in denying a service over personal conviction will play a big part in ushering in the rights of other sexual orientations most never thought possible.
    We'll see, but all will have the same basic questions, are they on an equal legal standing and can their partners consent?

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    If you lower the age of consent you solve the consent problem and what they do becomes legal. That is different than using your slippery slope argument that soon even NAMBLA will be legal because gays now have full rights to act as other adults do. You seem to think there are no longer any limits and there are.
    Oh, I didn't preclude that being an argument, too... I think many groups, using the 14th Amendment equal protection clause, will do just that...and what will be the legal defense? I mean, you let "that group" do it, which gave them special rights [ we all having equal rights as it exists now, at least in the states that do not allow SSM ], so it would be discriminatory to disallow my group...

    Once you erase the hard fast lines, you never know where it will go finally.

    There are limits only as long as those of us that are putting our fingers in the dike [ no pun intended ] keep trying to keep the dam from collapsing... until we can get some small respite from this constant damn busting, these attempts to take down the steady bulwarks of a good society. If we can catch a breath we will come back, repair the damage already done so our posterity can have things at least as good as we had it handed down to us.
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