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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Consensual incest is legal in China, France, Israel, the Ivory Coast, the Netherlands, Russia, Spain and Turkey, according to a 2007 report from the Max Planck Institute in Germany. Switzerland is attempting to abolish their incest laws. Here in the U.S. the loosening of the laws has already been occurring. Today almost half of the states allow marriage to 1st cousins while lowering the penalties for violations of other incest relationships. So the threat is very real. You might not see it in your lifetime but your grandchildren may very well. I didn't think I'd see same sex marriage a real threat in my lifetime either, but here we are........and the way those who do not find incest to be wrong, will achieve their rights the same way same sex marriage are obtaining theirs. Same arguments...same everything.
    Real threat to what?
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

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    And the likelihood of incest becoming legal?
    Just do her already!
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Just do her already!
    Not even with ontology's,,,,,,,

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Vesper, I see your point, but SSM is what we are discussing... Incest relationships are sick and damage the whole family, so start another thread..It is apples and oranges as far as I am concerned..
    Ever heard of the Slippery Slope? It isn't a lovely moist breast... it is an illogical argument used by fear mongers...
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Not even with ontology's,,,,,,,
    I thought you wanted to know when it was legal to do your sister? I say **** it. If she is hot now is the time...
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I thought you wanted to know when it was legal to do your sister? I say **** it. If she is hot now is the time...
    Oh dear god she got out of the basement again!

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Oh really? Kool-Aid drinkers have a hard time grasping reality.

    It's not a ridiculous notion for starters. Within the last 18 months an ivy league professor of law confessed to a consensual incest relationship with his adult daughter. His name is Epstein and not only is he a law professor at Columbia but he is a big contributor to the Huffington Post, one of the left's favorite places to pick up the news spin to their liking.


    Those who practice incest are already asking the same question homosexuals did in their quest for so called "civil rights". And while the definition of marriage is being redefined by some, the door is open wide for others to use the same arguments to seek their "civil rights". To think that incest laws will never change in this country is ignorant to say the least. It's happening all over the world, so it can happen here too.
    Lawyer defends incest-charged client: Columbia University professor | Liberty Unyielding
    And then we find ourselves on Dr. Morreau's Island?
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Oh dear god she got out of the basement again!
    One word... chains.

    Oh, one more word... duct tape
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If any of this was legal before gay marriage how is this a consequence of gay marriage?

    For example cousin marriage

    These developments led to 13 states and territories passing cousin marriage prohibitions by the 1880s. Though contemporaneous, the eugenics movement did not play much of a direct role in the bans, and indeed George Louis Arner in 1908 considered the ban a clumsy and ineffective method of eugenics, which he thought would eventually be replaced by more refined techniques. Ottenheimer considers both the bans and eugenics to be "one of several reactions to the fear that American society might degenerate".[22] In any case, by the period up until the mid-1920s the number of bans had more than doubled.[7] Since that time, the only three states to add this prohibition have been Kentucky in 1943, Maine in 1985, and Texas in 2005. The NCCUSL unanimously recommended in 1970 that all such laws should be repealed, but no state has dropped its prohibition since the mid-1920s.[3][9][23]

    If anything the ban on cousin marriage in Texas came in after gay marriage was recognized in Massachusetts in 2004

    BTW check the Plank institute for incest and got this

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    Germany[edit source | editbeta]
    In Germany, incest is punishable by law if consummated between people related by blood in direct line only, therefore between parents, grandparents, great-grandparents and their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren plus among siblings and half siblings. The penalty is a fine or up to 3 years of prison. Incest between relatives who are minors (below 18 years old) at the time of offence is not punishable but remains a crime, therefore aiding and abetting of incest between related minors is punishable.[24] The legal term used in German jurisdiction is "Beischlaf" (engl. coitus); only vaginal intercourse is punishable, other forms of sexual activity remain exempt from punishment.
    Regarding marriage, the same rules apply and prohibit marriage between aforementioned relatives.
    The criminal liability of incest among consenting adults is socially disputed in Germany, though the Federal Court of Constitution (comparable to a Supreme Court/High Court) ruled in 26 February 2008 that 173 StGB is constitutional in a 7:1 vote with one judge having a dissenting opinion regarding the commensurability.
    Laws regarding incest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Currently there are 21 states that now recognize 1st cousin marriages + 2 others under certain currcumstances.
    Cousin marriage law in the United States by state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    When you study each individual state's laws and punishments for incest, it is clear in the last few years that the laws are becoming softer.

    For you to quote something from Germany is irrelevant.

    All I am stating is the same way sodomy laws were abolished, incest laws have the potential to be abolished also. And after the abolishment of sodomy laws came the movement for same sex marriage using civil rights. People who do not find incest to be wrong, are asking the why is it alright for homosexuals and not me? Why should government be in my bedroom? And because of the new laws accommodating same sex marriage, opens the door for incestuous relationships to become legal.

    If you can't grasp that, fine. Maybe someone reading this that never thought of that notion will think twice before casting a vote on emotion over same sex marriage without truly thinking through the consequences in changing law.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Ever heard of the Slippery Slope? It isn't a lovely moist breast... it is an illogical argument used by fear mongers...


    We have been debating this very thing for three days now, so I know this well....

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