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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    You have expressed here your political opinion, albeit falsely, that time-honored respect for words and their true meaning is "ANOTHER one of your erroneous theories".

    It is my political opinion that time-honored respect for words and their true meaning -- definitive propriety -- is of foundational validity in deciding the matter of whether SS-couples' relevant relationships should be included in the word "marriage".

    I say it should not.

    You say that exhibiting a time-honored respect for words and their true meaning is irrelevant.

    I disagree.

    We hereby express our political opinion, nothing more.

    Nevertheless, your attempt to deconstruct the phrase "definitive propriety" is laughably erroneous.

    Time-honored respect for words and their true meaning is not "my theory".

    It is a valid way of approaching this relevant problem, a method that has been used forever in writing and testing legal statutes.

    Your attempt to castigate this time-honored reasonable approach by falsely demeaning it as "my theory" is, understandably, in obvious error.
    Your position does not reflect reality. The definitions of words change as society changes. Your position on whether this "should" or "should not" happen is irrelevant as to what occurs. They must as, because of my presentation of the definition of the word definition, in order to be consistent with how the word is used.

    And as a side note, this is why you always lose in these exchanges. You tend to use the word "should" or some concept that means "should". This is a reflection of your opinion, as should does not define what actually happens.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Most of your post here is fallacy combined with illogical reasoning.

    However, it is, as I'm sure you'll understand, important to refute your false statement that "You have decided to invent a word, "homarriage".

    I did not invent that word, though I sometimes wish I had.

    It is merely my chosen preference from a list, so I frequently suggest "homarriage" as the applicable term.

    So "homarriage" is not "my theory" or "my invention" or the like.

    As proof, I offer the following:

    Others talking about the word: "Homarriage" - Hot Topics - What to Expect.com

    This from way back in 2006: Ho-marriage? - The Globe and Mail

    Other forums: The weakness in B. H. Obama's strategy....: Off Topic Forum: Digital Photography Review

    Other forums: Glenn Beck supports gay marriage.

    And from 2009: Gay Marriage: Who Cares? - Taki's Magazine

    Etc.

    None of the people in the links suggesting the use of the word "homarriage" are me.

    The word has been in common usage as a suggestion for the word to describe SS-couples' relevant relationship for a long time, and I simply didn't start its usage.

    Thus I, obviously, did not "invent" the word.

    I have simply referenced the word "homarriage" as in my political opinion it is one of the most logical short-terms applicable.

    Some prefer the longer "homosexual marriage".

    Regardless, my made point here is that you are in likely purposeful error in your rush to false judgment that I "invented" the term "homarriage".

    This is typical of your approach, in that you falsely state something is "my theory" or that "I invented it" as an attempt to demean and belittle the political opinion.

    Not only is your reasoning illogical, as who invented an accurate presentation is irrelevant as the accurate presentation stands on its own, but your reasoning is based on an obviously false premise.
    OK. You didn't invent the word. Good to know... though it is interesting that each of your links (with the exception of the last) goes to a post, not an article. How do we know that you didn't write those posts? They sound like you. Regardless I will give you the benefit of the doubt, though it is YOU here who is peddling the theory of the usage of this word. It's also good to know that you admit that this is nothing but your opinion. So, when you present it as anything other than an opinion, I will point this out to you. When you present it as an opinion, I will point out that your opinion is meaningless.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Homosexual sex is dirty, deviant behavior
    In your opinion. You always seem to forget this important disclaimer. Fear not. I will continue to correct you on this matter.

    If it had a purpose, evolution would have found one by now
    It's purpose has already been described to you. Anal sex causes pleasure (in some) and assists in pair-bonding (in some). Both are important evolutionary concepts. Many higher organisms will search both for pleasure and to pair-bond.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Your premises are false .. but I realize that in order to continue discussing the matter, you need to assume I'm homophobic, as you're frustrated that I won't buy into the "gay marriage" "same-sex marriage" oxymoronic speak that the left wing has permeated the media with for so many years, subconsciously falsely influencing people to think that "marriage" has meant other than what it has always truly meant: between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

    You need to understand that I can't be, in effect, brainwashed in this manner.

    It's always been crystal clear obvious that "marriage" means "between a man and a woman as husband and wife" and has never meant anything other than that, and that anything other than that was simply not a "marriage" no matter what it was erroneously called.

    Despite left-wing PC and other media campaigns, the greater majority of society, though accepting of same-sex committed romantic domestic partnership civil union relationships, wants a different name associated with them than "marriage", and rightly so, as was demonstrated in a Gallup poll posted sometime ago in another thread at this forum.

    That's reality, and, it's a respectable one, as it respects both definitive propriety, a respect for the time-honored meaning of words, and society's sensibilities.
    This, of course, has been entirely refuted. Your argument rests on the incorrect assumption that what defines a word is not definite, and that the definitions of words are never changed. Now, one would think that these two statements are incompatible, but in fact, the first is dependent on the second. Since we know that word usage and definitions change over time and since we know what the definition of the word definition is, we know that in order for a word to remain in line with the concept of word definitions, the definitions of these words must be in line with usage.

    Very simple logic.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyLarry View Post
    Why is the term "birth defect" offensive to you?

    Does the person with Down's Syndrome or Turner's Syndrome or Kleinfelter's Syndrome get offended that their condition is termed a "birth defect?" I don't think so. I imagine that they understand it for what it is and the term describing their reality is simply that... A term. Applying emotion to it only confuses the reality.

    This is the same reason that every few years we have to come up with a new word for the "handicapped" err I mean, "disabled" err I mean, "DIFFERENTLY ABLED"

    If it is a "birth defect" then it is what it is and it shouldn't trigger angst. If you believe it is not a "birth defect" and hearing the term used to explain homosexuality causes you to feel that homosexuals are being attacked by the use of the term this would only indicate that you believe the term "birth defect" means someone is less valued than another based on a defect which was out of their control. Since there are conditions that are acceptably termed "defects" as those listed above, one could only conclude you feel they are lower in value than yourself.
    Saying that something is a birth defect gives the indication that the thing is an undesirable flaw. Since homosexuality not a birth defect, claiming that it is (a flaw) would be offensive.

    That was easy.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyLarry View Post
    Perhaps then it is a defense mechanism to experienced abuse/trauma?
    That supposes that all people who are homosexual have been abused or experienced trauma. This theory has been debunked about 50 years ago.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure it is J, the whole concept of marriage was to procreate, as well as ensure the family unit.
    No, it wasn't.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no gay gene
    ... discovered yet. Don't worry Bronson. Every time I see you post this error... one that has already been proven to you to be logically unsound, I will correct you, both so that others understand that what you say is incorrect and to make sure that you remember how badly you have been destroyed on this issue.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    It could be a business
    Wait... did you ACTUALLY say this to try to prove your position??? Your analogy was proven wrong, so your response was to use the word "could"? Could is irrelevant. IS counts.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    ... discovered yet.
    Scientists have already said it is caused by epigenetics. Even if they are wrong it is extremely unlikely there is a gay gene, but more likely it's caused from a mutation in a gene. You're free to blast this post if you want, but doing a five second search will tell you I'm right and that scientists agree with me on the likely genetic connection if there is one.

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