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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Who care's? It is a free country, supposedly.
    Not if you're a photographer who refuses to take pictures of a gay wedding

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Not if you're a photographer who refuses to take pictures of a gay wedding
    It was their choice to run a business of public accommodation.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Not if you're a photographer who refuses to take pictures of a gay wedding
    correction, a photographer that broke the law and ADMITTED that they discriminated based on sexual orientation


    so sorry you are wrong that photographer is still free but like EVERYBODY ELSE you cant infringe on others rights

    facts destroy your post again
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It was their choice to run a business of public accommodation.
    ding ding ding ding

    and their choice to BREAK THE LAW
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It was their choice to run a business of public accommodation.
    They are a private photographer

    Not a retail store

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    They are a private photographer

    Not a retail store
    No they are a business of public accommodation. If they want to discriminate they need to switch to a membership basis.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    No they are a business of public accommodation. If they want to discriminate they need to switch to a membership basis.
    Wrong

    There are several cases with precedent which show "public accommodation" doesn't apply when there is a clashing of rights.

    Hurley v. Irish-American Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Group of Boston, Inc. - 515 U.S. 557 (1995) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

    If it's a public store setting and they are getting their portrait taken that's one thing. We're talking about photography at the ceremony and actively participating in the service however. The First Amendment would apply in that situation. That person cannot be forced to take part in that ceremony, especially if it violates their religious beliefs. You're basically saying if Martin Luther King was a photographer, he would have been forced to participate in and condone KKK weddings. Or if the KKK tried to hire him to perform some role or service in their ceremonies, he'd have no choice but to comply.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Wrong

    There are several cases with precedent which show "public accommodation" doesn't apply when there is a clashing of rights.

    Hurley v. Irish-American Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Group of Boston, Inc. - 515 U.S. 557 (1995) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center


    What you cited there in that case was not a business.

    If it's a public store setting and they are getting their portrait taken that's one thing. We're talking about photography at the ceremony and actively participating in the service however.
    Taking photos is what they are selling to the public.

    You're basically saying if Martin Luther King was a photographer, he would have been forced to participate in and condone KKK weddings. Or if the KKK tried to hire him to perform some role or service in their ceremonies, he'd have no choice but to comply.
    I don't think the KKK is covered by the New Mexico Constitution.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What you cited there in that case was not a business.
    It could be a business

    Taking photos is what they are selling to the public.
    They shouldn't be forced to participate in the ceremonies. You need to separate taking photos in a retail environment and actively taking part in the ceremony itself. A line must be drawn. It clashes with the First Amendment Rights of others. Surely you believe in the First Amendment right?

    I don't think the KKK is covered by the New Mexico Constitution.
    The First Amendment is

    Precedent has already been set. You can't force people to take part in ceremonies, or pledges that contradicts their beliefs and freedom of expression. Nobody should be forced to marry gay people. Nobody should be forced to condone or take part in their ceremonies against their will and against their beliefs.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

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