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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Homosexual relationships are normal and equal to traditional in every single solitary way with the smallest of exceptions that there are two of the same gender people in one, and opposite gender in the other.

    Both have jobs. Both have bills. Both own homes. Both drive cars. Both pay taxes. Both have fights. Both buy groceries. Both cook dinners. Both cut grass. Both have deep personal feelings of love and commitment for each other. Both have pets. Both put out garbage. Both shovel snow. Both watch TV. Both read. Both vote. Both may serve in the military. Both have families. Both ......

    EVERYTHING homosexuals do heterosexuals do. They just do a few things with a different gender.

    What percentage of your overall life would you guesstimate is spent having sex? 5% maybe? Probably less.

    So if you subtract the "icky sex with the same gender spouse" - there's absolutely NO difference between a gay marriage and a straight marriage.
    5% would be 1.2 hours a day, every day.

    I got **** to do, man.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post

    When we ignore definitive propriety and thus disrespect it, we regress, and dumb ourselves down.
    Definitions of words change. Deal with it.

    And by the way: no, marriage has not always been defined as between one man and one woman. It used to be any number of women, and it was really better described as "one man and his property." Because the wife was literal property being transferred from the father to the new husband. And then there was that "it's always been one man and one woman of the same race" aspect. (see, people made "they're changing my definition!" arguments against interracial marriage too)
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That all sounds very normal except for that little part about the sex.

    But let's say a couple who were of the age of consent in an incestuous relationship who Both have jobs. Both have bills. Both own homes. Both drive cars. Both pay taxes. Both have fights. Both buy groceries. Both cook dinners. Both cut grass. Both have deep personal feelings of love and commitment for each other. Both have pets. Both put out garbage. Both shovel snow. Both watch TV. Both read. Both vote. Both may serve in the military. Both have families. Both ......

    EVERYTHING heterosexuals do. They just happen to be closely related.

    Today I did a little research on incest. What I discovered was astounding. I was unaware how many countries where there are no prohibitions on incest between consenting adults. And some of the laws are so loose that it gives the impression that many don't find it a problem.

    Laws regarding incest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Then I started to think about how we are a country of immigrants. If so many cultures worldwide accept incest, how much longer will it be before people start voting to remove the laws against it here in this country?
    So I went and checked the status in the U.S. and sure enough the laws are loosening where almost half of the states now allow marriage to 1st cousins. And their laws considering it a crime have lessened in severity as well.

    But the cherry on the sundae was an article about a story run on Nightline a couple of years ago about a law professor in political science at Columbia University was arrested on incest charges over a three year affair he was having with his adult daughter. By all counts it was consensual. But Professor of Law, David Epstein's lawyer's response to reporters was very interesting.......

    "Epstein's lawyer, Matthew Galluzzo,

    said that charges against his client were still "only allegations" that have not been proven.

    "Academically, we are obviously all morally opposed to incest and rightfully so," he told ABCNews.com. "At the same time, there is an argument to be made in the Swiss case to let go what goes on privately in bedrooms."

    "It's OK for homosexuals to do whatever they want in their own home," he said. "How is this so different? We have to figure out why some behavior is tolerated and some is not."
    Switzerland Considers Legalizing Consensual Incest; Columbia Professor Accused of Sex With Daughter - ABC News

    A very valid question on the part of the attorney. If homosexuals can why not consensual incest?

    Well as the story goes, Professor Epstein pleaded guilty. But it was never reported by the MSM. (crickets) And he is still listed as a member of faculty at Columbia University. Oh and by the way, David Epstein was a left wing contributor to Huffington Post. Did some scathing attacks on Sarah Palin that were over the top.
    HuffPo Contributor, Law Professor Pleads Guilty to Incest Charges | The American Pundit

    By you and many others I was reamed for a better word for bringing up incest as the new frontier after same sex marriage and told my argument was a fallacy yada yada yada.

    And because of redefining marriage, opens the doors for others to claim the same so called civil rights. For the gays it was first doing away with the laws of sodomy, and from there we now have Same Sex marriage. In the case of incest, the laws are already weakening in the states, how much longer till they are abolished just like the sodomy laws? And then the next step will be just like the gay movement, declare incest legitimate.
    Oh my god, you're right. Legitimizing heterosexuality leads to legitimizing incest.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So, other than the actual sex part - what's different between a gay relationship and a straight relationship????

    Because everything else is the same.

    And sex makes up a very small portion of life.

    So the differences between the two are minuscule unless you're trying to make something bigger than it really is.

    So tell us, what's different?
    One difference would be the ability to procreate, and further the species.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    One difference would be the ability to procreate, and further the species.
    Homosexuals aren't infertile.

    And wouldn't this logic of yours be used to annul marriages of infertile couples? Once a woman hits menopause, marriage over?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Definitions of words change. Deal with it.

    And by the way: no, marriage has not always been defined as between one man and one woman. It used to be any number of women, and it was really better described as "one man and his property." Because the wife was literal property being transferred from the father to the new husband. And then there was that "it's always been one man and one woman of the same race" aspect. (see, people made "they're changing my definition!" arguments against interracial marriage too)
    The truth is somewhere between women as chattel and interracial marriage.

    So why don't we just limit it to western civilization in relatively modern times, say, the past few hundred years and the great-great-great grandparents of our great-great-great grandparents?

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Homosexuals aren't infertile.
    True, I should have included "with each other".....Thanks for pointing that out.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    True, I should have included "with each other".....Thanks for pointing that out.
    So annul the marriage once a woman hits menopause, then?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The truth is somewhere between women as chattel and interracial marriage.

    So why don't we just limit it to western civilization in relatively modern times, say, the past few hundred years and the great-great-great grandparents of our great-great-great grandparents?
    Oh, so once you got marriage defined the way you want, no more changes? That's it?

    And, um, interracial marriage bans are a lot more recent than you think.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh, so once you got marriage defined the way you want, no more changes? That's it?

    And, um, interracial marriage bans are a lot more recent than you think.
    not to mention great great great grandfather? doesnt that have the potential to go back to slaver and women had no rights? just saying thats a horrendous argument

    and your other point about interracial bans, yes you are correct the ban ended in 1967 when my parent werent adult so forget by great great great granfather
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