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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It doesn't matter if the consequences were reported through valid studies, through personal experiences, through statistics collected by the government You sure as hell ain't about to accept them cause your intolerant one minded self won't allow you to and instead of responding to such things it is easier to keep eluding that you have the "facts" and everyone else is full of ****. What a cop out. What a bogus façade you hide behind.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    No, you do not "know"--you "believe"..... Married couples, heterosexual or homosexual, can adopt and many do altho there are other ways that a couple can have children...So are you saying that if a woman is unable to have children or a man is sterile, they should not be permitted to marry? Yes, no matter what you think or believe, the Law will dictate if SSM is legal or not in their state...
    Whoever said otherwise...you don't "know" either, in fact even less --you only "believe" also. I know that no orthodox religion or long lasting government has held this belief of yours down through the ages and actually most, if not all, specifically advocated against this kind of thing...ever wonder why? Its not like they were all in communication and did not make this decision independently... it was with good reason that they figured out this to be true..it was universally condemned.

    Your folks that want this are just selfish, gotta have it types... it is not us being mean, it is you wanting more than is necessary.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Any time you want to do something like prove my longer posts wrong feel free to go ahead and do something besides from making insults. I can recognize projection when i see it, and you project your self realization pretty well.
    Practice what you preach, lady.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    translation: you still got ZERO facts to back up your posts and are posting one last desperate dodge and deflection.
    running away doesnt change anything the second still tick, i accept you giving up and accepting the lose

    sorry nobody buys it, there nobody honest and educated that is going to fall for it, so again let us know when you can provide any facts to back up your claim, even ONE will do
    blah blah blah
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    We the people? Yes--that is what I have been saying...
    Then we are in agreement.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    The difference between a slippery slope and the well established path of incremental-ism is what exactly?
    Here is a good definition of the slippery slope logical fallacy:

    A slippery slope fallacy is an argument that says adopting one policy or taking one action will lead to a series of other policies or actions also being taken, without showing a causal connection between the advocated policy and the consequent policies.
    I have demonstrated that none of the things mentioned are analogous to SSM. This eliminates the causal relationship. If you think there is a causal relationship, prove it.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Really? NAMBLA IS a Homosexual organization.
    No, NAMBLA is a pedophile organization. Big difference.

    Oh, and just to head you off at the past, men who want to have sex with boys are not necessarily homosexual. Most men who have sex with boys are actually heterosexual. One's interest in children, regardless of the sex of the child has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the person.

    And you act like laws can never change to protect the age of consent.
    If is irrelevant.

    Under aged girls now have the right to seek an abortion without their parents knowing. Did most see that coming 10 years ago?
    Separate issue that is not connected.

    In Mexico consensual sex between a 12 and 18 year old is not considered illegal.
    This is not Mexico. Unless you can show a causal relationship and show similar analogies... the latter of which I have already dismissed, your argument is a slippery slope... which is what it is.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post

    Your folks that want this are just selfish, gotta have it types... it is not us being mean, it is you wanting more than is necessary.
    You really have issues with definitions and reality don't you.

    People who want more people to have more rights and benefits are not being "selfish".

    The "gotta have it types" are the ones clinging to some religious dogma others prefer not to follow.

    You're trying to force your religious beliefs on others. That's the bottom line.

    Admit that and then move on.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You really have issues with definitions and reality don't you.

    People who want more people to have more rights and benefits are not being "selfish".

    The "gotta have it types" are the ones clinging to some religious dogma others prefer not to follow.

    You're trying to force your religious beliefs on others. That's the bottom line.

    Admit that and then move on.
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...wow. We do what is good for the majority, not the silly little gotta have it types...just so you will feel normal? Its not normal, so even if we allowed it, you would just be fooling yourselves.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Well, I am sure you feel providing condoms are not encouraging kids to have sex either. If you handed out candy bars, think that might encourage them to eat them?
    There is a difference between offering condoms and candy bars and discussing how condoms and candy bars are uses.

    I am sure that you feel it justified that when schools go into direct opposition to many parents, as well as their churches, who are trying to, have the exclusive full right to, teach their kids about morality as they see it…then the majority of school children, being public school students, attend where they teach otherwise, in direct contradiction to their parents and their faith. I am sure you must think this sexual, as well as all the other confusions, confusion that is inevitably created is good for kids.
    Don't care one iota about parents or churches in this matter. Information is being presented. That's it. If parents want to keep their children ignorant of that information, place them in parochial schools or home school them. The school imparts information. It is up to the parents to help the child apply value to that information.

    Our kids need none of this information provided in our schools and you know it.
    Our kids certainly need this information. I have no desire to see our children remain ignorant. Do you?

    What, to you, is not encouragement we would certainly differ on. Besides which, I have seen it proven to you on here, that the decision to withdraw homosexuality as a disorder was far more a political decision than anything else.
    Actually, what you have seem is people TRY to prove that the decision to remove homosexuality from the DSM was political and you have seen me destroy that argument every time it is presented.

    You having brought it up, I would also suggest, tho a bit off topic here, that since we have been giving explicit sex education classes that these, indeed, have taken away much of the anxiety, the fear that was associated with sex to the uninitiated. This encouraged far more promiscuity among those student populations. So education along with its co-horts in crime, our heavily degenerate and left biased mass media… as well as openly disgraceful conduct of many of our leaders [ think BJs didn’t become a lot more common, almost ubiquitous, with under aged boys and girls after the BJ Clinton/Monica episode? ] we have an unneccessarily sexed up student population...like they needed more encouragement. Under aged/teenage sex does not hurt anything either, right? Just leads to more sexually transmitted diseases, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, depression/frustration/dissatisfaction long term and living in poverty for most of those who choose to keep their children in that unfortunate circumstance.
    And, since you bring it up, what we have learned from the attempts at absinence only sex education is that it doesn't work. Research shows that fully informational sex education is FAR more effective at preventing STDs and teen pregnancy.

    Checkmate.

    IT IS NOT A SCHOOL’S JOB TO INDOCTRINATE OUR CHILDREN WITH YOUR SIDE'S BELIEF SYSTEMS. Anymore than you might not support, if the other side got its way and took over education the way the left has then started teaching, say religious beliefs… Your belief system should not hold sway just because there was a vacuum created, sorry.
    Since indoctrination is not what is happening, your comment above is irrelevant. Sorry.

    Yeah, well, you have not debated many folks on that “other side” very much then.
    Debated tons. Haven't seen anything from you that I haven't seen scores of times and haven't easily defeated before.

    I also am aware from previous debate, that anything you do not believe magically becomes a "logical fallacy".
    It is not my fault that my opponents often present logical fallacies because that's all they've got.

    Ad homs and straw men are the libs go to arguments, besides the “just shut up, you racist, homophobe, misogynist…”you can take your pick from a long list of the shut-up-added-to-ad homs utilized by libs. Why don’t you go back and add up all the ad homs by libs vs cons and divide by how many of from each side....and I am pretty sure there will be far more by libs. But you can prove me wrong, its your statement to back up or not. My impression is you won’t.
    Your experience is your experience. In mine, cons are the first ones to through out the ad homs and EASILY far nastier than libs. Mostly because these are the entirety of their arsenal of debate.

    So, now that we have dispensed with the partisan hackery, how about discussing the topic.

    Right back at ya Cap’n.
    Difference is, I presented facts. You did not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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