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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

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    Nope ! My skin is much darker than my spouses.. In the winter time I make him look anemic. In the summertime and my tan could be viewed by some as an interracial marriage. NEXT!
    uhm just pointing put the obvious your story has nothing to do with race?
    not saying you have a problem with races just pointing out the obvious fact that you being tan and your husband not being tan is meaningless to the topic
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Hurts society long term, confuses children about what is natural and what is unnatural, causes misery, angst, a mess that has no right being heaped upon the rest of us just because 2%, a minimal minority, wants to impose this silliness upon the rest of us, most of whom, if push came to shove, would really rather not have this bull on a stick stuck in our faces all the time...

    Sorry to offend, but that is just the truth of the matter...


    It certainly is not the truth of the matter at all--not even close...It does not hurt society in any way.. It does not confuse children who truly understand Love.. Who are you to judge what is natural and what is not natural.. Can a man do to another man what he cannot do to a woman? Think about that for a moment... Your religious viewpoint will not and should not overrule the religious or nonreligious viewpoints of others..

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No it doesn't breakdown. when you stop looking at changing the definition of marriage with tunnel vision and start focusing on the "what if''s" with a little more peripheral vision you can see with greater vision what the results could be in redefining marriage.
    This is where your logic fails miserably. What if we were all allowed to shoot each other in the head? Just because we make marriage legal means we might actually consider shooting each other as something that might be acceptable. At least according to your warped slippery slope. Despite marriage being legal, and despite things like sodomy becoming legal for straight people the problems associated with incest are still there. Your problem is you associate unrelated ideas and pretend that because we make one legal we have to make them all legal and that just is not so. Look at drugs. Tobacco, alcohol, OTCs, and prescription medicine are all legal. We are also finding some places are making pot smoking legal. However, we have a number of illegal substances that are still quite illegal because they are different that those that are legal. People see legalized crack as being a bad thing despite seeing legalizing pot as something that should happen.

    You are making an incoherent argument that has nothing to do with the real argument. Gay relations are not incest. They are between two consenting unrelated adults. Most proponents of gay marriage have nop interest in discussing incestual relationships and oppose them. Your fears are unfounded and make a really piss poor excuse for keeping gay marriage from being recognized by the state. Since we are perfectly capable of discussing two separate issues separately and deciding laws that deal with them separately.
    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Critical Thought, if you are a male, then it is common knowledge that males tend to see things using tunnel vision. That is of course until they are with their wives and this sweet thing walks pasts them that they desire a second look. Then they rely heavily on their peripheral vision because their head is locked in the straight forward position so not to give away to their wife that they are indeed enjoying the view. A little more peripheral vision Critical Thought in the results of redefining marriage. Incest for gays would be a slam dunk! After all at this point the moral compass has been flushed down the toilet!
    Wow, that was a pretty amazing leap of faith. because men look at other women we have to have incest if gay marriage becomes legal. Did you get that from sarah palin? We are capable of dealing with both differently, and just because gay marriage becomes legal does not mean incest will. That is absurdity and you really need to come up with a real argument.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Nope ! My skin is much darker than my spouses.. In the winter time I make him look anemic. In the summertime and my tan could be viewed by some as an interracial marriage. NEXT!
    But people like you argued that the mixing of races was immoral, against god, and unnatural. They argued that mixing the races would lead to the end of the human races because we would all go crazy and everything would become legal. It is the same stupid argument all over again, and it is as sad today when you make it as it would be when someone told you your marriage was an abomination and immoral because your skin color is different.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    No it doesn't breakdown. when you stop looking at changing the definition of marriage with tunnel vision and start focusing on the "what if''s" with a little more peripheral vision you can see with greater vision what the results could be in redefining marriage.

    Critical Thought, if you are a male, then it is common knowledge that males tend to see things using tunnel vision. That is of course until they are with their wives and this sweet thing walks pasts them that they desire a second look. Then they rely heavily on their peripheral vision because their head is locked in the straight forward position so not to give away to their wife that they are indeed enjoying the view. A little more peripheral vision Critical Thought in the results of redefining marriage. Incest for gays would be a slam dunk! After all at this point the moral compass has been flushed down the toilet!

    Why do you believe that "your" moral compass has anything to do with ANYTHING? Incest? Is this a common phenomena in your neck of the woods?

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    transaltion" you have no facts to support your posted lies, we knew that already but i figured i asked for them to see if you would at least try

    anyway let us know when you have ANY facts to support your false claims, ANY . . . . hell ONE fact
    Yeah, sorry, but but that's not it, not even close. So, your powers of interpretation fail you as usual I am afraid. But good luck with all that. Its just too much trouble pulling the old electron microscope out to try to find even a hint of substance...too much work for nada.

    Translation: You want me to let you know when I'll be willing to continuously bang my head against the wall

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Nope ! My skin is much darker than my spouses.. In the winter time I make him look anemic. In the summertime and my tan could be viewed by some as an interracial marriage. NEXT!

    Could be, but it's not, so what is your point?

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Where in the constitution does it say that you have a "right" of conscience? That phrase just tickles the hell out me...
    Good evening Juanita, the right of conscience is protected under the First Amendment under freedom of religion.
    James Madison the author of the Constitution spoke of matters of conscience and religion not merely as toleration but as fundamental, natural rights. You will often find the State Constitutions throughout this country echoing those thoughts and will find the words "religious conscience" or "right of conscience" included in their constitution. A good example of this is in The Virginia Declaration of Rights that was initially drafted to guarantee "fullest toleration" of religion; but Madison amended it and when it passed, it provided that "all men are entitled to the full and free exercise of [religion] according to the dictates of conscience." Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance expressed the language of rights, not toleration: "The equal right of every citizen to the free exercise of his Religion according to the dictates of conscience is held by the same tenure with all our other rights. He explained:

    The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. . . . It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage, and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to him.

    Once upon a time in this country through civics education a person didn't have to ask what right of conscience meant for they were taught the meaning of religious freedoms which includes the right of conscience in grade school. Not anymore.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yeah, sorry, but but that's not it, not even close. So, your powers of interpretation fail you as usual I am afraid. But good luck with all that. Its just too much trouble pulling the old electron microscope out to try to find even a hint of substance...too much work for nada.

    Translation: You want me to let you know when I'll be willing to continuously bang my head against the wall

    I understand it is hard to come up with so many incoherent arguments, fallacies, and slippery slopes that do not exist when you cannot come up with a real argument about why 2 consenting adults enter a legal partnership with each other cannot be of the same gender when it applies to this particular case. Perhaps maybe you should consider that difficulty is present because the argument against gay marriage is really terrible and illogical and that makes it extremely hard to defend. In this case it is like beating your head against the wall because someone doesn't recognize your argument that 2+2=5 to be correct. When you are presented with rational explanations which you have to put your fingers in your ears and ignore them like some child who doesn't want to admit being wrong you might find that to be a sign that it might be time to recognize the truth instead of wishing it didn't exist because even god doesn't buy this crap anymore. We know that because the pope told us and he has a direct line to god if you believe in that sort of thing.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I suppose that banning SSM was not imposed on the people of those states...
    Ummm....

    30 states have constitutional amendments banning SSM, if I remember correctly, and another have gone through the legislative process identifying marriage to be only between one man one woman...so not imposed at all....may want to look up how in the democratic process we make laws through our elected representatives... and also how we amend a constitution...not imposed at all, agreed to by the majority.
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