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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    1.)Fact: The OP cites a quote where Abraham Lincoln gives a landmark speech against slavery in 1858 where he makes this statement: "A house divided against itself cannot stand, I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free."
    2.) Fact: That speech was about slavery, the enslavement of blacks by whites and the division that practice threatened in this nation.
    3.) Fact: The IRS recently declared that married, homosexual couples could file joint income tax returns.
    4.) Fact: Some writer writes an article using the IRS ruling to equate the homosexual rights movement with the civil rights movement, citing Abraham Lincoln out-of-context.
    5.) Fact: That's using the the topic of slavery to bolster the topic of homosexual rights.
    6.) Fact: That's a form of racism - by applying any of a score of similar uses of the word by those who deem themselves racially discriminated against.
    1.) yes this is a fact. Does it support your failed post about racism though? nope
    2.) yes this is a fact it was about how some people were NOT for equality and rights of us all, it was about people who wanted to discriminate and not and not grant civil rights. Does it support your failed post about racism though? nope
    3.) yes this is a fact and a victory for equality, equal and civil rights. Does it support your failed post about racism though? nope
    4.) nothing was out of context. it was about fight for equality, equal and civil rights and ending discrimination just like now. SO it was a fact he was equating and he was right. Does it support your failed post about racism though? nope
    5.) no this is NOT a fact it was about equality, discrimination and equal and civil rights. and the reference was about how another discrimination is now falling
    6.) 100% factually false as already proven above and by the definition of the word that totally disagrees with your made up definition. there is NO form of racism here at all. if you disagree by all means use the definition and point it out.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Fact: The OP cites a quote where Abraham Lincoln gives a landmark speech against slavery in 1858 where he makes this statement: "A house divided against itself cannot stand, I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free."
    Fact: That speech was about slavery, the enslavement of blacks by whites and the division that practice threatened in this nation.
    Fact: The IRS recently declared that married, homosexual couples could file joint income tax returns.
    Fact: Some writer writes an article using the IRS ruling to equate the homosexual rights movement with the civil rights movement, citing Abraham Lincoln out-of-context.
    Fact: That's using the the topic of slavery to bolster the topic of homosexual rights.

    Fact: That's a form of racism - by applying any of a score of similar uses of the word by those who deem themselves racially discriminated against.
    Now that's better but let's look at the end of the article, what the writer actually says:

    "...same-sex couples face a patchwork of laws under which their marriages might go from recognized to unrecognized and back again simply by taking a road trip. But if your home state says you're married, and the federal government says you're married, can Mississippi really say that you are not?

    "That is the question at the root of the impending showdown and sooner or later -- likely sooner -- it will go to the courts, probably all the way to the top. The Constitution saying what it says, the Defense of Marriage Act having been partly overturned, the tide of public acceptance being what it is, it is hard to imagine the answer will be favorable to the foes of marriage equality.

    Once again, the hidebound elements in this country will be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the present. Once again, change will come. Once again -- as was the case with segregation, women's rights, workers' rights -- that change will be something that is imposed by the many upon the obstinate few.

    That is regrettable. Change that is imposed is almost invariably change that is resented. And resentment brings challenges of its own. On the other hand, if those hidebound elements truly require dragging, kicking and screaming, last week's IRS ruling suggests the rest of the country stands ready to accommodate them.

    Abraham Lincoln spoke a verity for the ages, one America would be well-advised to heed. Make no mistake: The showdown is inevitable.

    A moment of decision is coming once again to this divided house."


    What you see as "race", stealing the struggle of slaves to be free, is referenced only because the US is divided on gay marriage like we were on slavery and that question had to be solved because a house divided cannot stand. It obviously bothers you that homosexuals see their struggle for rights in the same manner as that of blacks but it could be cast just as easily for Catholics, Jews, Women, etc. It is a fight for rights and in the end the country will come together, some kicking and dragging and screaming is expected. In this case. that means you and people who think as you do for the course is clear, just as it was when we ended slavery. That's all there is.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes this is a fact. Does it support your failed post about racism though? nope
    2.) yes this is a fact it was about how some people were NOT for equality and rights of us all, it was about people who wanted to discriminate and not and not grant civil rights. Does it support your failed post about racism though? nope
    3.) yes this is a fact and a victory for equality, equal and civil rights. Does it support your failed post about racism though? nope
    4.) nothing was out of context. it was about fight for equality, equal and civil rights and ending discrimination just like now. SO it was a fact he was equating and he was right. Does it support your failed post about racism though? nope
    5.) no this is NOT a fact it was about equality, discrimination and equal and civil rights. and the reference was about how another discrimination is now falling
    6.) 100% factually false as already proven above and by the definition of the word that totally disagrees with your made up definition. there is NO form of racism here at all. if you disagree by all means use the definition and point it out.

    sorry you post loses to facts again
    let us know when you have ANY FACTS that support your failed post. Ill be waiting
    As I stated in my original post, I believe that the homosexual lobby presuming to use that quote by Abraham Lincoln, which you acknowledge was about the specific issue of slavery, a black issue, a black civil rights issue, that their misappropriation of that quote and use of it out of context shows extreme disrespect to both Abraham Lincoln AND to the civil rights lobby.

    I believe such disrespect for the [black] civil rights cause fairly and accurately constitutes racism.

    Now, if blacks don't have an issue with homosexuals appropriating a quote that was intended for, and made on behalf of their interests and their interests alone, if blacks don't believe that's tantamount to disrespecting them, then you are correct, that wouldn't be racism.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    As I stated in my original post, I believe that the homosexual lobby presuming to use that quote by Abraham Lincoln, which you acknowledge was about the specific issue of slavery, a black issue, a black civil rights issue, that their misappropriation of that quote and use of it out of context shows extreme disrespect to both Abraham Lincoln AND to the civil rights lobby.

    I believe such disrespect for the [black] civil rights cause fairly and accurately constitutes racism.

    Now, if blacks don't have an issue with homosexuals appropriating a quote that was intended for, and made on behalf of their interests and their interests alone, if blacks don't believe that's tantamount to disrespecting them, then you are correct, that wouldn't be racism.
    Homosexual Lobby? Do you think they have an office in Washington that this writer works for???

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    ...only Abraham Lincoln wasn't talking about homosexuals, let alone homosexual "rights," LET ALONE homosexual marriage.
    You're right, he was saying either the United States was going to outlaw slavery everywhere or allow slavery everywhere. Lincoln held the unity of the Union supreme over everything else, even the freedom of the slaves. Quoting Lincoln on a subject where personal freedom is given supremacy is not appropriate.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
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    What you see as "race", stealing the struggle of slaves to be free, is referenced only because the US is divided on gay marriage like we were on slavery and that question had to be solved because a house divided cannot stand. It obviously bothers you that homosexuals see their struggle for rights in the same manner as that of blacks but it could be cast just as easily for Catholics, Jews, Women, etc. It is a fight for rights and in the end the country will come together, some kicking and dragging and screaming is expected. In this case. that means you and people who think as you do for the course is clear, just as it was when we ended slavery. That's all there is.
    I understand and acknowledge that the author is drawing a parallel between the black civil rights movement and today's homosexual rights movement. That's clear, but that's also my point.

    Yes, this nation was (and perhaps still is in some ways) divided on the black civil rights issue.
    And yes, this nation is dividing on the homosexual issue.

    My point is that it is not only improper to attempt a parallel between black civil rights and homosexual rights, it's also inordinately disrespectful (imho) of the former. What you have is a group of people attempting to distinguish themselves solely on the basis of their sexual preference and at the same time draw identic parallels with a group distinguished by the color of their skin. I don't believe it's proper to draw such parallels, let alone equate sexual preference with skin color. In fact, I believe it's disrespectful.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I'm saying homosexuals attempting to steal a moment in history important to blacks is racism. That's no lie. It's fact.
    Nobody's trying to steal anything. It's entirely appropriate to refer to other moments in American history where the rights of one human being were less than the rights of another human being when speaking about the civil rights of homosexual folks today. The problem isn't the comparison, it's that the quote referenced wasn't appropriate given Lincoln's positions on civil rights.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    As I stated in my original post, I believe that the homosexual lobby presuming to use that quote by Abraham Lincoln, which you acknowledge was about the specific issue of slavery, a black issue, a black civil rights issue, that their misappropriation of that quote and use of it out of context shows extreme disrespect to both Abraham Lincoln AND to the civil rights lobby.

    2.)I believe such disrespect for the [black] civil rights cause fairly and accurately constitutes racism.

    3.)Now, if blacks don't have an issue with homosexuals appropriating a quote that was intended for, and made on behalf of their interests and their interests alone, if blacks don't believe that's tantamount to disrespecting them, then you are correct, that wouldn't be racism.
    1.) you are free to have that illogical unsupportable opinion but you have no facts to support it
    both issues are about equality, civil and equal rights and fighting discrimination.

    2.) see above theres no factually or logical bases for such inane failed logic. By the way im black and i dont find it offensive or disrespectful one bit because i see the factual parallels and even if i was offended there NOTHING that would make it racist, the definitions of the word factually does not fit.

    3.) im already correct because the facts make it that way, im sure you could find blacks that are offended, i dont know any but you can find people offended about everything but theres no racisim and you still havent showed any facts to support that failed claim, not even one and the very definition of the word will never let you. Its not possible.

    but you can keep trying, again let us know when you have ANY FACTS that support your failed post.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Homosexual Lobby? Do you think they have an office in Washington that this writer works for???

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    wow lenoard pitts is also black?

    wow talk about a failed post, that post couldnt get any more destroyed, that has to be one of the biggest failed posts of the year
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