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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I've certainly given a number of examples of what people are experiencing in their states after the passage of same sex marriage. From Religious run adoption organizations who in rights of conscience believe a child needs to be in a home with a mother and a father and a federal judge ruled they will have to accept same sex couples for adoption. The adoption organization could not do that so are now closed.

    Parents suing a school board over elementary children being introduced to homosexual curriculum and wanted their children exempted from the classes. Federal judge ruled no and told the parents if they don't like it go start their own school.

    There have been cases as of late where federal judges have trampled the right of conscience over not willing to supply services in relation to weddings to gays and being charged with discrimination for it.

    Same-sex marriage is a new family form. Same-sex marriage and marriage alternatives are producing more change in family law, laws in discrimination, and these new laws are affecting traditional marriages and traditional families not just by law but in culture. It's still unknown what the total affects of it will be but what has changed for traditional families, socially, economically, and in religious freedoms has been a real negative. Enough of a negative for those who have not yet passed gay marriage in their state, should think long and hard.

    Like Agent J said....nothing negative.

    Unless of course you're a bigoted religious nut filled with hatred and hypocrisy...


    The vast majority of us are feeling secure and happy with the "changes".

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    1.)I've certainly given a number of examples of what people are experiencing in their states after the passage of same sex marriage. From Religious run adoption organizations who in rights of conscience believe a child needs to be in a home with a mother and a father and a federal judge ruled they will have to accept same sex couples for adoption. The adoption organization could not do that so are now closed.

    2.) Parents suing a school board over elementary children being introduced to homosexual curriculum and wanted their children exempted from the classes. Federal judge ruled no and told the parents if they don't like it go start their own school.

    3.)There have been cases as of late where federal judges have trampled the right of conscience over not willing to supply services in relation to weddings to gays and being charged with discrimination for it.

    4.)Same-sex marriage is a new family form. Same-sex marriage and marriage alternatives are producing more change in family law, laws in discrimination, and these new laws are affecting traditional families not just by law but in culture.

    5.) It's still unknown what the total affects of it will be but what has changed for traditional families, socially, economically, and in religious freedoms has been a real negative. Enough of a negative for those who have not yet passed gay marriage in their state, should think long and hard.
    1.) yes i read this and that was the adoptions centers choice, the adoption center has no right to discriminate based on those things no matter who owns it just like a hospital.
    SO again thats not negative thats positive

    2.) sounds right depending on the homosexual "curriculum" and class, no consequences.

    if it was a single class called homosexuality and it was mandatory id agree with you by something tells me it wasnt

    3.) again another positive judges enforcing the laws on the books and protecting peoples rights

    4.) what every your OPINION of traditional family is isnt not effect in reality

    5.) religious freedom is still intact

    nothing you brought up is a negative consequence of equal rights for gays in fact they arent even anything new lol

    people said the same thing when women and minorities were granted rights

    the law is doing the same it always has, protecting rights.

    so again i sake and try to focus on the words

    do anybody have any FACTUAL NEGATIVE consequences

    you not liking wanting them to have rights and be equal to the rest of us is not a consequence
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Like Agent J said....nothing negative.

    Unless of course you're a bigoted religious nut filled with hatred and hypocrisy...


    The vast majority of us are feeling secure and happy with the "changes".
    din ding ding

    all his concerned are pest on his hurt feelings and not on realty facts and peoples rights

    people think they should have to serve whites, blacks, asians, lations, women, men, chrisitians, jews etc and dont want their kids learning in school that those people exists and are just people either but guess what, to freaking bad

    get home schooled then or simply tell you kid what you want them to learn while they are hime
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Backup link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us...tate.html?_r=0

    another victory for equal rights, slowly but surely discrimination is losing and equality is winning!!!
    Definitely a victory for equal rights .. except the part about allowing SS-couples to check the "married" box -- there should be a "homarried" box to check or the like, separate, obviously, from "married", as OS-couples (married) are a definitive propriety different entity from SS-couples (homarried), and thus these two civil union domestic partnerships should not rightly be called the same thing any more than a cat show should be called a dog show.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Definitely a victory for equal rights .. except the part about allowing SS-couples to check the "married" box -- there should be a "homarried" box to check or the like, separate, obviously, from "married", as OS-couples (married) are a definitive propriety different entity from SS-couples (homarried), and thus these two civil union domestic partnerships should not rightly be called the same thing any more than a cat show should be called a dog show.
    The only people who feel the need to separate them are people who have issues with LGBT Americans. There isn't a practical reason to separate as they are entering the same contract. By your logic, we should also separate interracial marriages because they're different. My point being, yes a cat show, and dog show are different, but we still call them both shows. In you wanna throw the words "same sex" in front of some peoples marriages that's fine by me, but marriage is marriage.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Like Agent J said....nothing negative.

    Unless of course you're a bigoted religious nut filled with hatred and hypocrisy...


    The vast majority of us are feeling secure and happy with the "changes".
    From your own words, you prove you are the bigoted one. And no the vast majority doesn't agree with you, 32 states have added amendments banning gay marriage.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I give it 10 years before Democrats start trying to normalize pedophilia. I've already posted an article that sets the groundwork for it.

    They'll pump out the propaganda science articles, claiming it "might be genetic" or "chemical". Pedophiles can't help it. They are wired that way. We must have tolerance. They are victims. Gays apparently are "more equal" than polygamists, pedophiles, transgender (changing soon. They will be the next angels we have to adore. We will start to see transgendered characters in sitcoms. It will be taught in school as special and wonderful. It's already happening now)

    We've gone from gays demanding right to Christians now being targeted and harassed for their beliefs. Freedom of Speech is a one way street on Authoritarian Ave.

    Since the definition of marriage is being changed, I'm going to place my bet on incest to be the next frontier.... after all the gay activists claim “Life comes down to who you love and who loves you back — government has no place in the middle.”


    Shouldn’t that include committed incestuous relationships? If love and commitment are now the justification for marriage, why exempt this? The reason we don't allow incest relationships is because of the deformity in the children it can cause. But wait! Gay couples can't have children! So what's stopping them? A father with a son/step-son or a mother and a daughter/step daughter can't produce children.

    I can see a real tax advantage to this also for If that were so, if I wanted to pass on my estate without death [taxes], I could marry my daughter and pass on my estate to her. After all if life comes down to who you love and who loves you back, if a father and son love each other so much they want to get married, there is little moral difference between two people of the same sex getting married who are not related and want to be and two people of the same sex who already are related becoming closer.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes it is a valid point to include the history of organizations that were part of the gay rights movement in the beginning. I have never claimed all agreed with NAMBLA but that NAMBLA was part of their organizations for decades. To deny that is being intellectually dishonest.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_A...ve_Association

    This article shows certain organizations within the gay movement putting pressure on other organizations within the gay movement with ties to NAMBLA to break them at the same time connecting the ties to NAMBLA with certain gay rights organizations nationally and internationally.

    Now you and others continue to go back to my NAMBLA statement as not being valid. Well clearly the organization had ties to the gay rights movement. Deal with it. It seems you all are using the NAMBLA issue to avoid discussing how laws on discrimination and Gay marriage are affecting us now and the affects they will have in the future.
    You really aren't getting the concept of an association fallacy.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Since the definition of marriage is being changed, I'm going to place my bet on incest to be the next frontier.... after all the gay activists claim “Life comes down to who you love and who loves you back — government has no place in the middle.”


    Shouldn’t that include committed incestuous relationships? If love and commitment are now the justification for marriage now, why exempt this? The reason we don't allow incest relationships is because of the deformity in the children in can cause. But wait! Gay couples can't have children! So what's stopping them? A father with a son/step-son or a mother and a daughter/step daughter can't produce children.

    I can see a real tax advantage to this also for If that were so, if I wanted to pass on my estate without death [taxes], I could marry my daughter and pass on my estate to her. After all if life comes down to who you love and who loves you back, if a father and son love each other so much they want to get married, there is little moral difference between two people of the same sex getting married who are not related and want to be and two people of the same sex who already are related becoming closer.
    Slippery slope fallacy.

    Fallacious arguments.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Slippery slope fallacy.

    Fallacious arguments.
    Yes I have been told that by others in this thread, you sound like a parrot. And just like all the other parrots you fail to acknowledge sometimes there really are slippery slopes. And just like the rest you come to the fight armed with a spoon.

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