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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And your response to EdwinWillers because he chose to share his belief why he finds gay marriage wrong and you have no tolerance for that? Just like you and many posting in this thread had no tolerance for the Christian couple who in religious conscience couldn't provide a cake for a lesbian couple? And you wonder why there are number of people concerned that their rights to conscience will be taken from them? And that their argument is a stupid one? I think you have just given proof to all that there is a real concern with a number of folks like you so willing to trample others rights in order to get what you seek.


    Ahh There it is again---Religious "conscience"--- like it is a "right" or something....

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That is not what I stated and stop putting words into my post that are not there.

    The gay rights movement IS associated with NAMBLA through members of NAMBLA also advocates for gay rights.
    The gay rights movement including NAMBLA support same sex marriage
    People should be informed of the founding of the gay rights movement and until recently had a new makeover separating themselves from NAMBLA because of its unpopularity.

    That would be more accurate.

    As far as the rest of your gobbledygook

    Most people don't call Hitler a Christian today, but during his reign he certainly had enough Germans convinced he was.

    As far as interracial couples, that is still an issue of marriage between a man and a woman and has little to nothing to do with same sex marriage. If some still practice it in the South then let that be a lesson for the learning that you can not legislate every racist practice out of existence and it's time to stop trying.

    As far as consequences for redefining marriage...what can currently be observed is....


    Redefining marriage marginalizes those with traditional views and leads to the erosion of religious liberty. The laws that are being written to define discrimination while those who support same sex marriages are eradicating such views through economic, social, and legal pressure. The consequences for religious believers are becoming apparent. Recently in the news multiple federal justices have been willing to deny rights of conscience to those who deny services to gay couples in relation to gay marriage. They are forced to carry a burden of legal expenses that no person should have to encounter in this country in exercising their constitutional rights of conscience. But that is how the game is played on the left. They use Lawfare, a type of warfare where politically appointed justices can make asinine judgments to further a political agenda allow a false validation to stand. And those who don't know a Constitutional right from the hole in their arse are the dumb sheeple giving homage to such opinons.

    Another current example of consequence is after Massachusetts redefined marriage to include same-sex relationships, Catholic Charities of Boston was forced to discontinue its adoption services rather than place children with same-sex couples against its principles.

    Massachusetts public schools began teaching grade-school students about same-sex marriage, defending their decision because they are “committed to teaching about the world they live in, and in Massachusetts same-sex marriage is legal.” But it didn't stop there, Massachusetts appellate court ruled that parents have no right to exempt their children from these classes.

    The denial of parental rights in public schools and the denial of Religious freedoms are two pretty big ones in my book.


    Now it's "constitutional" rights of conscience... How do you figure that our great constitution allows you to discriminate based on "your" religious views...How about "my" religious views or "their" religious views?

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, the 3% is bending the 97% over and breaking it off in them.
    weird you seem to think that only gays support equal rights seems you are severely uneducated on this topic
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Now you have resorted to quoting the Apostle Paul (out of context) from Galatians 3:28 to further your emotional stance . But the Apostle Paul preached against homosexuality in a message of love. Too bad you didn't read a little further in Galatians to chapter 5 you would have caught it.



    ...."in a message of LOVE?"

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, the 3% is bending the 97% over and breaking it off in them.



    3%? You "are" funny...

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Fair enough, but I hope you remember that when discriminating against those whose religious conscience is in conflict with yours. Peace.



    Aha.. Are we talking here? The ultimate conservative threat....

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Fair enough, but I hope you remember that when discriminating against those whose religious conscience is in conflict with yours. Peace.
    Well I do think a business has no right to deny service based religion sex sexual orientation etc. I do think also a business has the right to put up a sign that says "we hate fsgs" bible verses or whatever. Then it is up to the customer if they want to depart with their hard earned money
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    The only naturally endowed human rights, as I've pointed out before, is to breathe and go to the bathroom.. We are a nation of laws...We are governed by laws.. We vote for or against those making the laws. That is our system of government...Love it or leave it..
    Yeah, and so....?
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Actually, it seems to me to be the same principle--everyone does not have the same rights..
    And that is the way it is...a 12 year old doesn't have the right to vote...hey, that's not equal right? Neither does a person that is not a citizen here...not equal either. You tell me, can I, a man, marry another man in most states? No, and neither can any other man, hetero or homosexual... that is not separate, that is exactly equal... we can eat at the same restaurant, use the same public toilets, drink out of the same fountains...

    Just wondering, it "seeming" to be the same, you would have to explain to me how you view it as not having the same rights...
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    What does gay rights have to do with the strength and integrity of our country?.. It is their country too and you don't have the right to be either tolerant nor intolerant of a citizen's right to their pursuit of happiness..
    The building blocks of a strong nation are its families. Families are created through procreation, and you probably know about homosexual sex not being procreative sex. The strongest of families have a father and a mother. While it sounds all nice and touchy feely, it is less good to have single parenthood and it is lesser good to have same sex parents, for the children's sake. Also, marriage, which is a proven good thing in societies, is lessened, does not have its real meaning anymore, by this desire of homosexuals that everyone else to accept, be forced to accept, what many of us just do not, probably will never accept, as right, nor as good practice.

    Just because somebody wants something, if it hurts the whole and in the long run, you have the strength to say no...just like a parent does with their children. Cookies before dinner, gonna kill a kid? No, but it is better for them to have an appetite and eat the proper things at dinner.
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