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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Thats nice, discrimination is immoral (There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.) and illegal as well.
    Now you have resorted to quoting the Apostle Paul (out of context) from Galatians 3:28 to further your emotional stance . But the Apostle Paul preached against homosexuality in a message of love. Too bad you didn't read a little further in Galatians to chapter 5 you would have caught it.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Now you have resorted to quoting the Apostle Paul (out of context) from Galatians 3:28 to further your emotional stance . But the Apostle Paul preached against homosexuality in a message of love. Too bad you didn't read a little further in Galatians to chapter 5 you would have caught it.
    My religious conscious tells me discrimination is a sin.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Backup link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us...tate.html?_r=0

    another victory for equal rights, slowly but surely discrimination is losing and equality is winning!!!
    Yea, the 3% is bending the 97% over and breaking it off in them.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    My religious conscious tells me discrimination is a sin.
    Fair enough, but I hope you remember that when discriminating against those whose religious conscience is in conflict with yours. Peace.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    No, civil rights, aka political rights, are only civil rights if we decide they are. They are NOT human rights, which are naturally endowed to each human no matter what. They are, instead, man-made government legislated laws that include and leave out whoever we want.


    The only naturally endowed human rights, as I've pointed out before, is to breathe and go to the bathroom.. We are a nation of laws...We are governed by laws.. We vote for or against those making the laws. That is our system of government...Love it or leave it..

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Sounds nothing like separate but equal...sounds like equal is equal...exactly the same. With Plessy v Ferguson it was separate schools, separate teachers, hand me down books if books at all, separate rail road cars, separate fountains, separate bathrooms, separate restaurants...

    So why don't you tell us how that matches up at all.


    Actually, it seems to me to be the same principle--everyone does not have the same rights..

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Other people might be suggested to do the exact same, my dear. That would be equal treatment, right?

    Fact of the matter is we have extended exactly that to the homosexual community. We minded our own business, looked the other way, didn't think about it because we really didn't want to delve that deeply. We were what was wanted, what was asked, we were "tolerant".

    That, however, has not been, and apparently is not currently, good enough. Now we have to accept, condone and even, as has been brought out elsewhere in this thread, teach and encourage our children and thus confuse our children about this practice that many, if not most, disagree heartily with all the way down to those who may not have a problem with it but do not see it as promoting a healthy culture. We allow it, we certainly DO NOT want to promote it.

    I have, as do you, a right to my opinions on how I WANT MY COUNTRY TO BE, again just as you do. Just saying shut up is not an argument in the circles where I hang out, probably much more in other, more liberal circles that seems to go for proper argumentation. Might as well add that from the left proper argumentation also seems to include ad homs, demagoguery, straw men, lack of knowledge of actual events yet pushing a false narrative, etc... you get the picture.

    Sorry, not about to shut up, have been meek, holding our tongues for too too long... time to stand up and fight for that which will keep our integrity and the continued strength of this great country.


    What does gay rights have to do with the strength and integrity of our country?.. It is their country too and you don't have the right to be either tolerant nor intolerant of a citizen's right to their pursuit of happiness..

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I am going to agree to disagree with you on it. As I said, it is irrelevant to me since I don't consider the story or Leviticus to be a basis on how I would conduct myself or how I would expect others to conduct themselves. If that is the basis for your views, then I wish you well.

    As far as my personal view on it. God was going to destroy the city of Sodom no matter what because he made that decision before the whole rapey incident occurred and Lot could not even find 10 righteous men in the city in however many days God gave him to do so. And if Lot, a man who offered his daughters for rape, is to be considered the standard of righteousness in this story...well I can't say I'm as inclined to care as much as you are. Define "sodomy" however you want. In the end, we all get to answer for ourselves.
    Well, of all those who've disagreed thus far, yours is the most rational and honest. I appreciate that.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    People should be informed of the founding of the gay rights movement and until recently had a new makeover separating themselves from NAMBLA because of its unpopularity.
    Let's assume you were right and every single founder of the gay rights movement had been a card carrying member of NAMBLA. What exactly would that mean for the current gay rights movement and the push for same sex marriage? What would that have to do with anything?

    It is still an illogical association fallacy. You are trying to equate all gays and gay rights supporters as somehow having something to do with pedophilia because of one or two members of the gay rights movement who were a member of NAMBLA like 30 or so years ago. It is ridiculous and irrational.

    Redefining marriage marginalizes those with traditional views and leads to the erosion of religious liberty. The laws that are being written to define discrimination while those who support same sex marriages are eradicating such views through economic, social, and legal pressure. The consequences for religious believers are becoming apparent. Recently in the news multiple federal justices have been willing to deny rights of conscience to those who deny services to gay couples in relation to gay marriage. They are forced to carry a burden of legal expenses that no person should have to encounter in this country in exercising their constitutional rights of conscience. But that is how the game is played on the left. They use Lawfare, a type of warfare where politically appointed justices can make asinine judgments to further a political agenda allow a false validation to stand. And those who don't know a Constitutional right from the hole in their arse are the dumb sheeple giving homage to such opinons.
    Alliance Defense Fund has picked up just about every one of those cases, so I'm not sure where are this "legal expenses" nonsense is coming from. As far as "lawfare" it is called using the legal system as intended. It works the other way around. Christian groups have used it to defend religious liberty in several cases. It is just when it is used by gay rights groups it is suddenly something evil and nefarious.

    Another current example of consequence is after Massachusetts redefined marriage to include same-sex relationships, Catholic Charities of Boston was forced to discontinue its adoption services rather than place children with same-sex couples against its principles.
    Forced? They chose to do so. And adoption is about what is in the best interest of children, not religious groups.

    Massachusetts public schools began teaching grade-school students about same-sex marriage, defending their decision because they are “committed to teaching about the world they live in, and in Massachusetts same-sex marriage is legal.” But it didn't stop there, Massachusetts appellate court ruled that parents have no right to exempt their children from these classes.
    That simply is not true.

    The denial of parental rights in public schools and the denial of Religious freedoms are two pretty big ones in my book.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You can not credit me with saying all homosexuals want to legalize adults having sex with minors. I just pointed to the connection of NAMBLA with homosexuality and the founder of the first gay rights movement had associations with NAMBLA.

    I very much doubt that many straight people who support gay marriage are aware of that fact maybe it would matter to some and then again maybe not.

    Nor do I believe there are many who understand the consequences of trampling the rights of conscience of those who can not support gay marriage in the name of stomping out discrimination. When political appointed federal judges can do that hello Houston we have a problem.


    "Consequences of trampling the rights of conscience.". This phrase continues to crack me up.......tagword for "your" religious beliefs.. That is what it all boils down to... Judges are there to protect us and the constitution from religious radicals, who would love to take "our" rights away on this issue as well as others...

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