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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    To bad they put their discrimination before helping these kids.

    Most of these children, as a matter of fact, were adopted by straight couples, but during 15 years, about 13 were placed in the stable, secure and loving homes of same-sex couples.

    Then in 2005, tragically, and out of the blue, the Vatican told our agency to cease using the single criteria of “best interest of the children.”

    They ordered us to stop facilitating adoptions to households headed by gay men and lesbians.
    In that copy and paste you posted did it ever occur to you that the reason for the Vatican issuing such a mandate is because a handful of instances came up showing protocol was not being followed? Hell no, you just have an agenda and truth just gets in the way.

    A whole 13 kids in a 15 year period. How many years did it take for someone to catch the practice of someone not following protacol? Catholic adoption agencies in my area have NEVER allowed same sex marriage adoptions.

    The one that wrote take opinion piece probably didn't resign on his own but was encouraged to because if truth be known he was responsible for at least some of those adoptions.

    Quite a piece of desperation on your part.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    In that copy and paste you posted did it ever occur to you that the reason for the Vatican issuing such a mandate is because a handful of instances came up showing protocol was not being followed.

    A whole 13 kids in a 15 year period. How many years did it take for someone to catch the practice?

    The one that wrote take opinion piece probably didn't resign on his own but was encouraged to because if truth be known he was responsible for at least some of those adoptions.

    Quite a piece of desperation on your part.
    Desperation? hardy har har. The Board of Catholic Charities voted unanimously:

    The board reacted strongly to the Vatican’s order, voting 42-0 against excluding gay and lesbian families from adoption services.
    Instead the vatican choose their discrimination above helping these kids.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    anybody been told the factual consequence for granting equal rights, seems we are still waiting for that

    only factual consequences im aware of is granting equal rights and trying to prevent discrimination
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    anybody been told the factual consequence for granting equal rights, seems we are still waiting for that

    only factual consequences im aware of is granting equal rights and trying to prevent discrimination
    Well it seems vesper has a problem with gays adopting.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well it seems vesper has a problem with gays adopting.
    really i missed that, what were the reasons

    well if thats true the people who are actually educated in that department like these groups and more: US pediatrics, American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, American Academy of Family Physicians, American Academy of Pediatrics, American Bar Association, American Psychiatric Association, American Psychoanalytic Association, American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, Child Welfare League of America, National Association of Social Workers, North American Council on Adoptable Children

    all endorse gays adopting

    and the studies show that all other things being equal kids do as well in same parent households.

    I think ill said with facts, common sense and those groups among others that disagree with his unsupportable, uneducated opinion in this field.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) you are factually wrong, SCOTUS disagreed with you 14 times
    Video: 14 Supreme Court Rulings on Marriage | American Foundation for Equal Rights
    2.) no i have not posted any types of "marriages" im against but please feel free to make up more stuff
    3.) no its not important at all to equally and ending discrimination and i have never said that everybody is on board. Why thats two things you just made up now. Does that tactic ever work for you? its failing currently
    4.) correct but yet its still discrimination and you have not answered the question. instead of dodging it answer the questions. What risk?
    5.) repeating this lie wont make it true
    6.) you dont take my word for it but then agree with me weird. either way your example is meaningless to equal rights for gays
    7.) nope its completely false, the obvious and educated point you are missing is its not a Pandora box its about rights and freedoms. If people wanted to fight for the new rights of polygamy im fine with that as along as it consenting adults but gay marriage would lead to that anymore than straight marriage. sorry you fail again

    again any examples ?
    LOL. American Foundation for Equal Rights? LOL. They don't grant rights to anybody. LOL.
    1. Show me in the Constitution where anybody has the right to marry. You can't. Even a lame brain should be able to figure out why you don't have a guaranteed right to get married. Maybe one day you will catch on.
    2. Then I misunderstood this blabber you typed out, " this is always true but thats meaningless true, rapist ant that to be legal, killers want that to be legal, child molesters want that legal. What does that have to do with equal rights for gays?"
    3. I pointed out some things to you and your word was it was "meaningless" and listed examples of other people. Once again, I guess I didn't understand your blabber. Maybe you don't either.
    4. Behavior is behavior. When sanctioned by the government some people will view it as encouragement.
    5. So you are for all types of marriage? How about 30 year olds marrying 10 year olds? Non-discriminating people would be for it so I must assume you are all in.
    6. Oh, as best I can tell, I agree with you on nothing.
    7. Completely true as once again, you prove the point, again.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Desperation? hardy har har. The Board of Catholic Charities voted unanimously:



    Instead the vatican choose their discrimination above helping these kids.

    It wasn't just the Vatican but the Bishops over Massachusetts against the practice.
    The state's four Catholic Bishops in unison stated the law of same sex marriage threatens the church's religious freedom by forcing it to do something it considers immoral.

    Eight members of Catholic Charities board later stepped down in protest of the bishops' stance. The 42-member board had voted unanimously to continue considering gay households for adoptions. If truth be known it was the Bishops that made the Vatican aware that those on the Catholic charities in Massachusetts had previously adopted 13 children to gay couples over the past 15 years and that is why the mandate came from the Vatican to warn them to stop. Nowhere else in this country that I am aware of where this an issue. NO Catholic adoption charity I am aware of adopts to same sex couples. And apparently even the liberal minded Massachusetts charity board still held a certain standard and could only find 13 kids in 15 years of same sex partners worthy of adoption.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. American Foundation for Equal Rights? LOL. They don't grant rights to anybody. LOL.
    1. Show me in the Constitution where anybody has the right to marry. You can't. Even a lame brain should be able to figure out why you don't have a guaranteed right to get married. Maybe one day you will catch on.
    2. Then I misunderstood this blabber you typed out, " this is always true but thats meaningless true, rapist ant that to be legal, killers want that to be legal, child molesters want that legal. What does that have to do with equal rights for gays?"
    3. I pointed out some things to you and your word was it was "meaningless" and listed examples of other people. Once again, I guess I didn't understand your blabber. Maybe you don't either.
    4. Behavior is behavior. When sanctioned by the government some people will view it as encouragement.
    5. So you are for all types of marriage? How about 30 year olds marrying 10 year olds? Non-discriminating people would be for it so I must assume you are all in.
    6. Oh, as best I can tell, I agree with you on nothing.
    7. Completely true as once again, you prove the point, again.
    1.) like i said SCOTUS disagreed with you 14 times i think ill go with the facts rather than your factually proven wrong opinion
    2.) thank you for admitting your mistake, that takes integrity,like i said i never said i was against any MARRIAGES
    3.) again your mistake because no where did i ever even come close to sayign everybody is on board. Deflections wont change the mistakes you made.
    4.) and those people are idiots and have no facts to support their mentally retarded claims because it will be RIGHTS that are sanctioned
    5.) again it wouldnt be the marriage part, as i pointed out EARLIER as long as its consenting adults im pretty good in most cases.
    minors arent allowed to do contracts and i dont support violating the rights of that minor by letting them get raped and molested.
    its the violation of rights im against.

    discriminating against that doesn't violate any rights, restrict them or infringing on them. It PROTECTS the rights of others! SOrry dishonest deflection posts like this wont work.
    once again its about rights, you seem to miss this

    6.) thats good because i was worried, i was gonna go back and check what i said, it makes me happy that you dont, its very reassuring
    7.) nope i proved it wrong again because thats not what Pandora box is, maybe you dont understand the expression

    there will be no Pandora box because this wont lead to anything and everything, it will just be about rights and it wont lead to anything that hetero marriage doesnt also, sorry your post fails again

    i noticed you are still dodging supplying me with examples? very telling
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Why isn't this in the right forum?
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It wasn't just the Vatican but the Bishops over Massachusetts against the practice.
    The state's four Catholic Bishops in unison stated the law of same sex marriage threatens the church's religious freedom by forcing it to do something it considers immoral.

    Eight members of Catholic Charities board later stepped down in protest of the bishops' stance. The 42-member board had voted unanimously to continue considering gay households for adoptions. If truth be known it was the Bishops that made the Vatican aware that those on the Catholic charities in Massachusetts had previously adopted 13 children to gay couples over the past 15 years and that is why the mandate came from the Vatican to warn them to stop. Nowhere else in this country that I am aware of where this an issue. NO Catholic adoption charity I am aware of adopts to same sex couples. And apparently even the liberal minded Massachusetts charity board still held a certain standard and could only find 13 kids in 15 years of same sex partners worthy of adoption.
    Thats nice, discrimination is immoral (There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.) and illegal as well.

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