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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What consequences?
    we asked this twice already but no answer
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Various versions of Leviticus 18:22:
    "Thou shalt not lie with the male as one lieth with a woman: for it is abomination." 1599 Geneva Bible
    "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." American Standard Version
    "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination." Amplified Bible
    "You must not have sexual intercourse with a man as you would with a woman; it is a detestable practice." Common English Bible
    "You are not to go to bed with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination." Complete Jewish Bible
    "It is disgusting for a man to have sex with another man." Contemporary English Version
    "And thou shalt not lie with mankind as one lieth with a woman: it is an abomination." Darby Translation
    "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination." Douay Reims 1899 American Edition
    "Men, you must not have sexual relations with another man as with a woman. That is a terrible sin!" ERV
    "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." English Standard Version
    "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." English Standard Version, Anglicized
    "You must not have sexual relations with a man as you would a woman. That is a hateful sin." EXB
    "No man is to have sexual relations with another man; God hates that." GNT
    "You are not to sleep with a man as with a woman; it is detestable." HCSB
    "Thou shalt not lie with males as with women; it is abomination." Jubilee 2000 Bible
    "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." King James Version
    "And you shall not lie with a male as lying with a woman; that is a detestable thing." Lexham English Bible
    "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." New American Standard Bible
    "You must not have sexual relations with a man as you would a woman. That is a hateful sin." New Century Version
    "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." New International Version
    "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman. It is a sinful thing." New Life Version
    "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." New Living Translation
    "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." New Revised Standard Version
    "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Revised Standard Version
    "You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestable." World English Bible
    "And with a male thou dost not lie as one lieth with a woman; abomination it [is]." Young's Literal Translation.

    Personally? I think I'll go with a whole host of actual biblical scholars from the 15th century to today who have translated that verse re the above rather than entertain (though entertaining it certainly is) the "CaptainCourtesy" version of the bible.
    What exactly has biblical horse excrement have to do with same-sex marriage in the USofA????

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why is all your attention to homosexual=pedophilia based on male pedophilia?

    What about the lesbians?

    Why are you so sexist?

    Don't you care about the little girls being sexually abused by older women????


    Face it man.....you've lost all credibility in this fight. All of it.

    The nation is heading towards equal marriage rights for gays.
    And many of us are quite comfortable with that.

    Even us straight people.
    Did you really read what you just posted?
    Now I am discriminating against male pedophiles? Seriously?
    No I don't think I have lost all credibility.
    Though extreme examples, the goal was to make aware that LAWS can and do change things and open doors to things than have always been understood by the majority in our society to remain closed. There are consequences for changing the definition of marriage in this country.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Did you really read what you just posted?
    Now I am discriminating against male pedophiles? Seriously?
    No I don't think I have lost all credibility.
    Though extreme examples, the goal was to make aware that LAWS can and do change things and open doors to things than have always been understood by the majority in our society to remain closed. There are consequences for changing the definition of marriage in this country.
    you keep repeating this failed line and yet have no examples, logic or facts that support you.

    what consequence are you referring to?
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Did you really read what you just posted?
    Now I am discriminating against male pedophiles? Seriously?
    No I don't think I have lost all credibility.
    Though extreme examples, the goal was to make aware that LAWS can and do change things and open doors to things than have always been understood by the majority in our society to remain closed. There are consequences for changing the definition of marriage in this country.
    What consequences?

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Jinx 1 2 3 agent j owes me a coke!

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually, the Bible provides the justification for defining sodomy the way it has been done. ANY sex outside of marriage and outside of the purpose of procreation is seen as unnatural and outside of the will of God.
    Actually, it doesn't. Neither does merely *saying* it does. There are a host of other sexual activities that describe behaviors other than specifically homosexual behavior at outside the will of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is why I don't give two craps when most folk try to reference the Bible in this respect.
    Contrary to what you might think, how you crap is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    They generally are people who had plenty of premarital sex, or engaged in sex acts outside of vaginal sex, or committed adultery, or were divorced. etc.
    What does their behavior have to do with anything about anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    People like to interpret the Bible to suit their own prejudices and so the whole idea that the word "sodomite" is watered down is kind of ridiculous to me. Particularly since the Jewish interpretation of the story of Sodom has nothing to do with homosexuality but with inhospitality.
    You think the men of the city wanting to have sex with the two male visitors is merely an act of "inhospitality?"

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    People are entitled to believe what they want but trying to reference the story of Sodom to dictate whether a scene of GANG RAPE is an example of homosexuality is kind of ridiculous in itself. I would think the RAPE might be more at issue but if people want to reference Leviticus to push their position I say go ahead but if you are wearing any polyester or eating any shell fish, you are kind of a hypocrite.
    Is it your contention that if the two men whom the men of the city were wanting to have sex had been agreeable to it that the men of the city would back off - i.e. that their only interest was in raping them?
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    What exactly has biblical horse excrement have to do with same-sex marriage in the USofA????
    And your response to EdwinWillers because he chose to share his belief why he finds gay marriage wrong and you have no tolerance for that? Just like you and many posting in this thread had no tolerance for the Christian couple who in religious conscience couldn't provide a cake for a lesbian couple? And you wonder why there are number of people concerned that their rights to conscience will be taken from them? And that their argument is a stupid one? I think you have just given proof to all that there is a real concern with a number of folks like you so willing to trample others rights in order to get what you seek.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you keep repeating this failed line and yet have no examples, logic or facts that support you.

    what consequence are you referring to?
    Everything I post is a failed line according to you.
    I'm done with your nonsense.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And your response to EdwinWillers because he chose to share his belief why he finds gay marriage wrong and you have no tolerance for that? Just like you and many posting in this thread had no tolerance for the Christian couple who in religious conscience couldn't provide a cake for a lesbian couple? And you wonder why there are number of people concerned that their rights to conscience will be taken from them? And that their argument is a stupid one? I think you have just given proof to all that there is a real concern with a number of folks like you so willing to trample others rights in order to get what you seek.

    Maye they should not have gone into the wedding cake business or formed a private club to skirt the law?

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