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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    I've posted this before. Here is what the story of Sodom and Gommorah really means:

    So everyone knows, Sodom and Gommorah was not about homosexuality at all. It was hospitality and protection. God punished those two cities because they were inhospitable, including towards his two angels that he sent. The "sodomy" that he was referring was NOT homosexuality, but was RAPE. The homosexuality misinterpretation comes from the fact that the angry mob wanted to rape (male homosexuality) the angels that visited Lot. This was a very common method of humiliation that was used at the time, especially amongst Pagans towards their enemies. During this time period, we had a patriarchal society, so, with the men in charge, humiliating and intimidating them was more effective. God's warning is that sodomy... RAPE, especially homosexual RAPE, is sinful... hence his destruction of those two cities where that practice occurred. The story says nothing about consentual homosexual behavior.
    In reality, sodomy does not refer to homosexual acts, but homosexual RAPE. Consensual homosexual sex does not apply to the term... if one is going to use a biblical interpretation. Of course, we know that words change as time goes on, and the current definition of sodomy is this:

    anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex
    So, either way sodomy is not about the homosexual orientation, or it is about sexual acts that can be performed regarding either orientation.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Teaching should always be a parents job. If you don't trust the government to teach your child then homeschool them.
    I dont disagree about the homeschooling, however, we do not pay taxes, or rather should not pay taxes, for education that turns out to be a lot of left wing indoctrination. If the taxpayer funding followed the student, now that would be equitable.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Civil rights are civil rights, regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation..
    No, civil rights, aka political rights, are only civil rights if we decide they are. They are NOT human rights, which are naturally endowed to each human no matter what. They are, instead, man-made government legislated laws that include and leave out whoever we want.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    GAWD...does that sound familiar--heard it before---sounds a lot like 'separate but equal'...
    Sounds nothing like separate but equal...sounds like equal is equal...exactly the same. With Plessy v Ferguson it was separate schools, separate teachers, hand me down books if books at all, separate rail road cars, separate fountains, separate bathrooms, separate restaurants...

    So why don't you tell us how that matches up at all.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Maybe some people should just mind their own business and keep their noses out of their neighbor's business...
    Other people might be suggested to do the exact same, my dear. That would be equal treatment, right?

    Fact of the matter is we have extended exactly that to the homosexual community. We minded our own business, looked the other way, didn't think about it because we really didn't want to delve that deeply. We were what was wanted, what was asked, we were "tolerant".

    That, however, has not been, and apparently is not currently, good enough. Now we have to accept, condone and even, as has been brought out elsewhere in this thread, teach and encourage our children and thus confuse our children about this practice that many, if not most, disagree heartily with all the way down to those who may not have a problem with it but do not see it as promoting a healthy culture. We allow it, we certainly DO NOT want to promote it.

    I have, as do you, a right to my opinions on how I WANT MY COUNTRY TO BE, again just as you do. Just saying shut up is not an argument in the circles where I hang out, probably much more in other, more liberal circles that seems to go for proper argumentation. Might as well add that from the left proper argumentation also seems to include ad homs, demagoguery, straw men, lack of knowledge of actual events yet pushing a false narrative, etc... you get the picture.

    Sorry, not about to shut up, have been meek, holding our tongues for too too long... time to stand up and fight for that which will keep our integrity and the continued strength of this great country.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post

    That, however, has not been, and apparently is not currently, good enough. Now we have to accept, condone and even, as has been brought out elsewhere in this thread, teach and encourage our children and thus confuse our children about this practice that many, if not most, disagree heartily with all the way down to those who may not have a problem with it but do not see it as promoting a healthy culture. We allow it, we certainly DO NOT want to promote it.

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    Same-Sex Marriage, Gay Rights

    CBS News Poll. July 18-22, 2013. N=1,036 adults nationwide. Margin of error 3.

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    "Do you think it should be legal or not legal for same-sex couples to marry?"

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    7/18-22/13 legal 55 not legal 39 unsure 6
    Civil Rights

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Other people might be suggested to do the exact same, my dear. That would be equal treatment, right?

    Fact of the matter is we have extended exactly that to the homosexual community. We minded our own business, looked the other way, didn't think about it because we really didn't want to delve that deeply. We were what was wanted, what was asked, we were "tolerant".

    That, however, has not been, and apparently is not currently, good enough. Now we have to accept, condone and even, as has been brought out elsewhere in this thread, teach and encourage our children and thus confuse our children about this practice that many, if not most, disagree heartily with all the way down to those who may not have a problem with it but do not see it as promoting a healthy culture. We allow it, we certainly DO NOT want to promote it.
    This exemplifies the problem with many posts from "antis" on this topic. They confuse providing facts with encouraging. In our schools, providing facts, such as teaching that there is nothing dangerous about homosexuality (there IS something dangerous about risky sexual behavior regardless of orientation) and that homosexuality is not a disorder (proven through research since the '60's), amongst other pieces of information does not equate to promoting it any more than providing information about sexual activity promotes having sex. There is no reason to promote any kind of sexual activity or orientation. They exist. It is the school's job to provide information, which is what they do.

    I have, as do you, a right to my opinions on how I WANT MY COUNTRY TO BE, again just as you do. Just saying shut up is not an argument in the circles where I hang out, probably much more in other, more liberal circles that seems to go for proper argumentation. Might as well add that from the left proper argumentation also seems to include ad homs, demagoguery, straw men, lack of knowledge of actual events yet pushing a false narrative, etc... you get the picture.
    This is interesting. I have debated this topic for quite some time and have always found it to be the dogmatic conservatives who have little knowledge on this topic, argue positions using logical fallacies, and make ad homs when backed into a corner after their arguments have been debunked. There are plenty of threads on this topic that prove me correct on this.

    Sorry, not about to shut up, have been meek, holding our tongues for too too long... time to stand up and fight for that which will keep our integrity and the continued strength of this great country.
    It is important to not confuse one's beliefs with factual information. You certainly can believe what you want; that does not mean that these beliefs translate into facts.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well you sure do act like you think they are. From NAMBLA BS to your active promotion of discrimination in public accommodations.
    People who support gay marriage need to understand that when marriage is redefined in LAW it lays the foundation for all different types of sexual orientations to be pursued in the name of Civil Rights and that their practices be recognized lawful. Since morality in a religious sense can't be used as an argument against gay marriage, it can not be used in relationships like what NAMBLA promotes either. Nor can it be used as an argument against incest relationships. In other words because of changing the definition of marriage and all the discrimination laws associated with it has open the door for all sexual orientations to have rights. Some of them you may not be willing to support just like those today who do not support gay marriage but because of the discrimination laws being written today over gay marriage and sexual orientation, you will be forced to. And just like you are not willing to respect the religious conscience of those who deny services over gay marriage claiming them to be discrimination, some day down the road when you can no longer support something, you too will be charged with discrimination and because you were unable to stand up for the rights of conscience of others, will be denied your rights.

    Let the buyer beware.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Same-Sex Marriage, Gay Rights

    CBS News Poll. July 18-22, 2013. N=1,036 adults nationwide. Margin of error 3.

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    "Do you think it should be legal or not legal for same-sex couples to marry?"

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    % % %
    7/18-22/13 legal 55 not legal 39 unsure 6
    Civil Rights
    Well then get 'er done...

    I think when push comes to shove, people, even liberal Californians, pretty much find it wrong, don't want it, shouldn't even have to think about it. Y'all keep shoving this in our face... like those hounding salespeople that will not go away, annoying like mosquitoes buzzing in the dark of night when all you want to do is sleep.

    Leave us alone with this silliness, please.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    People who support gay marriage need to understand that when marriage is redefined in LAW it lays the foundation for all different types of sexual orientations to be pursued in the name of Civil Rights and that their practices be recognized lawful. Since morality in a religious sense can't be used as an argument against gay marriage, it can not be used in relationships like what NAMBLA promotes either. Nor can it be used as an argument against incest relationships. In other words because of changing the definition of marriage and all the discrimination laws associated with it has open the door for all sexual orientations to have rights. Some of them you may not be willing to support just like those today who do not support gay marriage but because of the discrimination laws being written today over gay marriage and sexual orientation, you will be forced to. And just like you are not willing to respect the religious conscience of those who deny services over gay marriage claiming them to be discrimination, some day down the road when you can no longer support something, you too will be charged with discrimination and because you were unable to stand up for the rights of conscience of others, will be denied your rights.

    Let the buyer beware.
    Ah. The slippery slope logical fallacy. Always one of the favorites of those who try to debate the opposite side of the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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