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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    But it was the homosexual component specifically that we are speaking of, where the term sodomy and sodomized comes from...what do the other parts have to do with that?

    If you are unable to explain that fairly succinctly, I would suggest that you probably have no real point...it would have to revolve around, to be pertinent, if women were having sex in the same way as, or with, the men from Sodom... something along those lines to cogently adhere to our topic here.
    Sodomy does not refer only to homosexual conduct...THAT is the whole point.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The story of Sodom and Gomorrah had a hell of a lot more to do with than homosexual behavior. You either don't read the bible much or you belong to one of those churches like Westboro Baptist who like to cafeteria pick and manipulate in order to fit their political agenda. Sodomy refers to heterosexual conduct as well. You need to go back and read the story of Sodom and Gommorah if you are going to try to make such claims.
    Again, baseless assertions with absolutely nothing to back them up. If, as you assert, the story I cited isn't talking about homosexual behavior - please enlighten us as to what you think it means. And please, no more asinine ad-hominems or inane allusions to the Westboro Baptist church, political agendas, or grade school cafeterias.

    I've read the story - umpteen times. Have you? I've cited it, quoted it, twice now. All you've done is bluster "you're wrong." Give us something more than baseless claims with zero backup.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

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    37 states have banned gay marriage. we will see what happens with them.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sodomy does not refer only to homosexual conduct...THAT is the whole point.
    No, THAT is a baseless assertion.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sodomy does not refer only to homosexual conduct...THAT is the whole point.
    The point is that he says it does, gives biblical references, you say it doesn't, give nothing as a source...as stated before, I will go with what seems more plausible.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Romans 1:26 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sodomy does not refer only to homosexual conduct...THAT is the whole point.
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    The point is that he says it does, gives biblical references, you say it doesn't, give nothing as a source...as stated before, I will go with what seems more plausible.
    Ezekiel 16 - "As I live, declares the Lord God, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it."
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    The point is that he says it does, gives biblical references, you say it doesn't, give nothing as a source...as stated before, I will go with what seems more plausible.
    Yeah. The thing is, there's only one reason we even have the word "sodomy" in our English language. Etymologically, it originates in that story of the men of Sodom who wanted to have sex with the two angels God sent to rescue Lot. Any use of the word must therefore necessarily involve whatever occurred in the biblical reference to Sodom. And there's only one plausible behavior for which that can apply - which is the behavior for which the word has always applied - homosexual behavior, or if people prefer, the desire of men to have sex with other men. That is the story of what happened. There are ancillary messages, like the "don't look back" story involving Lot's wife (who did look back at the destruction of the city and was turned into a pillar of salt), or the story of Lot's two daughters. But there is only one story that has always been linked to the behavior of the men of that city - and that's the story from which we get the term "sodomy."
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Yeah. The thing is, there's only one reason we even have the word "sodomy" in our English language. Etymologically, it originates in that story of the men of Sodom who wanted to have sex with the two angels God sent to rescue Lot. Any use of the word must therefore necessarily involve whatever occurred in the biblical reference to Sodom. And there's only one plausible behavior for which that can apply - which is the behavior for which the word has always applied - homosexual behavior, or if people prefer, the desire of men to have sex with other men. That is the story of what happened. There are ancillary messages, like the "don't look back" story involving Lot's wife (who did look back at the destruction of the city and was turned into a pillar of salt), or the story of Lot's two daughters. But there is only one story that has always been linked to the behavior of the men of that city - and that's the story from which we get the term "sodomy."
    As I recall the story of Lot involves him offering his two daughters to be raped by a crowd and later those daughters get him drunk so he will impregnate them. That isn't exactly what I would call a great story about sexual morality.

    The Bible does not actually state a specific sin that Sodom was struck down for but people like to interpret it as homosexual behavior...although it could just as easily been gang rape that God would have been unhappy about given the context. And Ezekiel seems to make it sound like failing to care for the poor might have been a larger issue.

    Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. (Ezekiel 16.49–50 NASB)

    Abominations refer to many, many different sins. Love of money, dishonest trade, adultery, divorce, improper sacrifice, certain dietary habits, etc. are all referenced in the Bible as "abominations" so I'm not sure why people fixate on homosexuality somehow being the only one especially given the context of the verse.

    As for the definition of "sodomy" in context of laws, it has been used in the United States to refer to oral sex, anal sex, and sex with animals. That is just how the laws have been written. I think that is because sodomy took on a sense of "unnatural sex acts" tone in American history where anything other than vaginal sex was seen as unnatural. If you bother to look in most dictionaries that is how it is defined.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Sure, but that is not what parent should have to be putting time into, deconstructing, deprogramming and obviating what their kids are "learning" in school everyday. That is an opportunity cost, lost time and effort that could have been used teaching their kids something useful, worthwhile and positive, instead of wasting that time in class and then out of class trying to cancel each other out...is it a wonder that we rank low in comparison to many when it comes to the truly necessary skills to survive in a global market?

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