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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I see what you are saying totally. I'm in the same boat as you, hoping that something will present itself and somebody will have the balls to make a change. Either way at least we know it is just a matter of time now, just depends on how much time!
    Yes, it will happen lets see, lets all synchronize our watches...it will happen at exactly five four three twooooone...at a half past an icicle when hell finally freezes over...be real convenient as by then there will be some rather large pigs that may also be flying so you can probably get a great deal on a flight there, coach, pretty cheap...

    Still gotta long ways to go fellas, especially now that we understand that you folks were never in it for just the tolerance, that was not good enough, and since you almost all, and nearly every single one, do not extend that same tolerance, just get mean, degrading and nasty when we say no further... well, we are reconsidering our own tolerance, speaking of the nasty.

    I think they call what we are arriving at a "tipping point", just a few more y'all's pushy straws just gonna crack that poor camel's back. 37 states with either constitutional bans or statutes saying marriage is one man one woman.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Did you even read his post? Maybe it was it too long, or too informative, too detailed, too complex?
    Yes, I read his post. That's what I was responding to. The problem with the post is that is was simply wrong. Something can have a lot of details, but if the details are all wrong, then the post is as well.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
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    The word "sodomite" comes from a narrative in the bible, specifically from Genesis 19:4f - The word "sodomy" generally refers to the behavior of those men of Sodom who wanted to have sex with ("know") the two men visiting Lot. The bible doesn't use the word "sodomy" per se; but the behavior is quite clear - men wanting to have sex with other men - and it is regarded variously in the bible as "worthless," "wicked," "exceedingly wicked," "abominable" and so forth...

    In that example, the two men with whom the Sodomite men wanted to have sex were angels, sent to rescue Lot and his family from God's judgment on Sodom.

    There's another, similar example in the bible - in Judges 19, where a Levite was visiting a town in Gibeah and staying with someone there:
    Same scenario, the men of the city wanted to have sex with the Levite priest visiting Gibeah.

    The outcome of that incident was a civil war that wiped out the tribe of Benjamin.

    So "sodomy" is a specific reference to men of the town of Sodom wanting to have sex with other men. Without going into the sordid details, the various ways men can have sex with one another are rather limited - but oral and anal are certainly included.

    Suggesting a man and a woman engaging in oral or anal sex is "sodomy" is an intentional re-definition of the word - which purpose is little more than a vain attempt to pretend that oral and anal sex by two men (i.e. sodomy) is somehow "normal" because men and women can engage in oral and anal sex too.

    So you are completely in the wrong - sodomy most definitely and conclusively is sex between two or more men; exclusively sex between two or more men.
    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are simply just soooo wrong on so many levels:

    First, many many homosexuals are in the same type of beautiful, loving committed relationships are heterosexuals.
    Arguable, but totally irrelevant.

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    Second, Sodomy is not exclusive to gays. I would bet that the vast majority of Heterosexual couples engage in sodomy as well.
    You would bet? That's not exactly a statement of confidence, disneydude.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes, I read his post. That's what I was responding to. The problem with the post is that is was simply wrong. Something can have a lot of details, but if the details are all wrong, then the post is as well.
    Merely asserting something is wrong, doesn't make it wrong.

    Fact: Sodom exists as a name in the English language solely because of its mention in the bible, ergo any meaning applied to the name necessarily comes from its mention in the bible.
    Fact: I provided that meaning. See also Genesis 19.
    Fact: I provided a similar incident where virtually the exact same behavior occurred. See Judges 19.

    You assert that is "simply wrong." Ok - why? Show us where that's wrong. What details were wrong? Any one will do.
    Since the narrative of Sodom and the behavior of its men originates from the bible, and you seem to disagree with that, asserting "sodomy is not exclusive to gays," perhaps there are other biblical references you can cite where such behavior can be ascribed to heterosexuals as well, thus proving your point?
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Arguable, but totally irrelevant.

    You would bet? That's not exactly a statement of confidence, disneydude.

    Merely asserting something is wrong, doesn't make it wrong.

    Fact: Sodom exists as a name in the English language solely because of its mention in the bible, ergo any meaning applied to the name necessarily comes from its mention in the bible.
    Fact: I provided that meaning. See also Genesis 19.
    Fact: I provided a similar incident where virtually the exact same behavior occurred. See Judges 19.

    You assert that is "simply wrong." Ok - why? Show us where that's wrong. What details were wrong? Any one will do.
    Since the narrative of Sodom and the behavior of its men is in the bible, and you seem to disagree with that, asserting "sodomy is not exclusive to gays," perhaps there are other biblical references you can cite where such behavior can be ascribed to heterosexuals as well, thus proving your point?
    The story of Sodom and Gomorrah had a hell of a lot more to do with than homosexual behavior. You either don't read the bible much or you belong to one of those churches like Westboro Baptist who like to cafeteria pick and manipulate in order to fit their political agenda. Sodomy refers to heterosexual conduct as well. You need to go back and read the story of Sodom and Gommorah if you are going to try to make such claims.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes, I read his post. That's what I was responding to. The problem with the post is that is was simply wrong. Something can have a lot of details, but if the details are all wrong, then the post is as well.
    You ignored practically all of it and what you do address is meaningless in response to what he detailed, did not even seem as if you had actually read his post. You first point had absolutely nothing to do with the post quoted. Then, if you disagree with his "details"...then pick them out one by one and destroy them best you can, if you can. If you, on the other hand, cannot or will not, one has to suppose he is mostly correct as your ignoring the problem does not solve the problem nor even give one pause to really think...just seems like you either did not read his post, did not understand his post or were overcome by his post and have no real response, so you dodge or simply ignore what he had to say.

    I would think, and I am no bible scholar here, since we do seem to get the noun and its accompanying verb, the name of sodomy from the the biblical story regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, that he has a valid point as to what sodomy truly is and has been. That it was originally considered only to be between two or more men... general usage may have become imprecise in the intervening years, you could argue that, but to just ignore it running right past it and saying it is wrong on so many levels without even anything more than a head fake in that direction as a rebuttal....?? Seems suspect to me.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    You ignored practically all of it and what you do address is meaningless in response to what he detailed, did not even seem as if you had actually read his post. You first point had absolutely nothing to do with the post quoted. Then, if you disagree with his "details"...then pick them out one by one and destroy them best you can, if you can. If you, on the other hand, cannot or will not, one has to suppose he is mostly correct as your ignoring the problem does not solve the problem nor even give one pause to really think...just seems like you either did not read his post, did not understand his post or were overcome by his post and have no real response, so you dodge or simply ignore what he had to say.

    I would think, and I am no bible scholar here, since we do seem to get the noun and its accompanying verb, the name of sodomy from the the biblical story regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, that he has a valid point as to what sodomy truly is and has been. That it was originally considered only to be between two men... general usage may have become imprecise in the intervening years, you could argue that, but to just ignore it running right past it and saying it is wrong on so many levels without even anything more than a head fake in that direction as a rebuttal....?? Seems suspect to me.
    I will tell you the same thing that I told him. If you are going to cite the story of Sodom and Gommorah, they I suggest that you actually read it.....and not rely on some right-wing political perverted version of the story spun to fit a political agenda. The story of Sodom and Gommorah has a homosexual component to it, but the homosexual component is one of the smallest parts of the story. It is essentially mentioned in passing. Read the bible and then get back to us.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Backup link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us...tate.html?_r=0

    another victory for equal rights, slowly but surely discrimination is losing and equality is winning!!!
    37 states have banned gay marriage. we will see what happens with them.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I will tell you the same thing that I told him. If you are going to cite the story of Sodom and Gommorah, they I suggest that you actually read it.....and not rely on some right-wing political perverted version of the story spun to fit a political agenda. The story of Sodom and Gommorah has a homosexual component to it, but the homosexual component is one of the smallest parts of the story. It is essentially mentioned in passing. Read the bible and then get back to us.
    But it was the homosexual component specifically that we are speaking of, where the term sodomy and sodomized comes from...what do the other parts have to do with that?

    If you are unable to explain that fairly succinctly, I would suggest that you probably have no real point...it would have to revolve around, to be pertinent, if women were having sex in the same way as, or with, the men from Sodom... something along those lines to cogently adhere to our topic here.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    37 states have banned gay marriage. we will see what happens with them.
    yes i know, that makes me happy actually because its that exact banning that is going to help establish equality and stop the bigoted discrimination.

    in the cases that were pushed to state supreme courts banning were ruled to violet equality and to be discrimination.
    Its sweet irony actually, the ignorance and fear that lead to those banning will be the very thing that allows equal rights.
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