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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    This discussion was NEVER about NAMBLA. Never.
    Oh yes it has been since page six.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The discussion is on homosexuality, same sex marriage, man/boy relationships supported by NAMBlA and the best you can do to counter is come up with a quote from a book from a 11th grade reading list that is discussing a heterosexual encounter between a HE and a HER? Seriously?
    Actually that exerpt is about an under aged girl having sex with an older man.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    It took you 5 posts to build this House of Cards?

    Sodomy is sodomy. The fact that the couple might otherwise care for each other deeply is irrelevant. Sodomy is bestial, animal behavior. Animals do it in the wild for irrational reasons. Rapes in prisons are done for dominance in most instances. Not pleasure. It's considered a form of torture. Watch the movie American Me. They don't put that broom handle up there because they love him. You've been watching too much porn.
    Blowjobs = Torture.

    Damn, sign me up for my rights to be violated then.

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Actually that exerpt is about an under aged girl having sex with an older man.
    Well though I still find your post irrelevant to the discussion it does shine a another bright light on the public education system. Seems their reading lists are to keep the kids sexed up. So much for the higher ground. The days of a liberal arts education are long gone. You know an education that would promote such things as subjects or skills that in classical antiquity were considered essential for a free person (a citizen) to know in order to take an active part in civic life?

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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Please tell me where any of those view points have not been specifically stated by conservatives on this forum or in Congress, very doubtful you can!
    Easy peasy as a first grader would say.

    1. Who has screamed, who has wrapped themselves in a flag? Nobody.
    2. We talk the Constitution, can quote from it, many of us know how they arrived at what is in the Constitution, have read and are aware of the Federalist Papers, the Anti Federalists and their papers, the state by state ratification process of the original Constitution...
    3. Everyone is free to believe as they want...does not mean they always get what they want, that is impossible on the face of it... so our founders developed a framework for governing, and we know how to use it, know what it says and why [ see No. 2]. There is a process you must go through. You are welcomed to fight for what you think is right just as we are... just have to get the majority on your side is all.
    4. Freedom of religion is expressly stated in Amendment One of the Constitution... nobody I know of is advocating a national church...might you elucidate for us what the heck you may be babbling about in that regard?
    5. You too would get tax breaks if you married the opposite sex, exactly as I do. EQUAL, exactly the SAME.
    6. There are several books out there, also articles, on just how happy we conservatives are compared to liberals, you obviously would be surprised by the results.

    There, easy peasy...next...?
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Your whole premise is illogical. And you keep repeating the same statement without any details to justify it. That's not a conversation that's a tug of war.
    What is there to prove. I can marry a person of the opposite sex. So can anyone else as long as both are of age and consenting. I, like all other men in my state, cannot marry another man. We have the exact same rights. Women in my state cannot marry another woman. All women have the exact same rights...no woman can marry another woman.

    EQUAL...how do you not get that. It may not be as you want it, but hey, you wanted equal rights, you keep saying so...so you got them, quit complaining already.

    Clear enough for ya now, is it?
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well though I still find your post irrelevant to the discussion it does shine a another bright light on the public education system. Seems their reading lists are to keep the kids sexed up. So much for the higher ground. The days of a liberal arts education are long gone. You know an education that would promote such things as subjects or skills that in classical antiquity were considered essential for a free person (a citizen) to know in order to take an active part in civic life?
    You don't even know what the book is about. And it was posted it as a comparison to your feigned alarmism.

    Shakespeare can get dirty too:

    Hamlet: Nay, but to live
    In the rank sweat of an enseamed bed,
    Stew’d in corruption, honeying and making love
    Over the nasty sty,—
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Be an active parent and the public school cannot "re-educate" your kids.
    Sure, but that is not what parent should have to be putting time into, deconstructing, deprogramming and obviating what their kids are "learning" in school everyday. That is an opportunity cost, lost time and effort that could have been used teaching their kids something useful, worthwhile and positive, instead of wasting that time in class and then out of class trying to cancel each other out...is it a wonder that we rank low in comparison to many when it comes to the truly necessary skills to survive in a global market?

    I think Stalin took away tens of millions rights to freedom of conscience, he just starved, murdered them. Your right of conscience pretty much evaporates if you are gone.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    What is there to prove. I can marry a person of the opposite sex. So can anyone else as long as both are of age and consenting. I, like all other men in my state, cannot marry another man. We have the exact same rights. Women in my state cannot marry another woman. All women have the exact same rights...no woman can marry another woman.

    EQUAL...how do you not get that. It may not be as you want it, but hey, you wanted equal rights, you keep saying so...so you got them, quit complaining already.

    Clear enough for ya now, is it?

    Equality means: the state of being equal, esp. in status, rights, and opportunities.
    Equal restrictions does not mean you have equality. Equality is more broad than that and you know it.

    You think you have found some clever way to approach the topic but it has no basis in sound reasoning or rational thinking. Constantly repeating your spin does not make your spin accurate or lend it any credibility.
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    Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You certainly are deflecting. Obnoxiously so.

    You said sodomy was deviant and barbaric. I quoted you on that.

    I asked you to define sodomy.

    You tend to use that word a lot when the subject is about gay rights and/or gay marriage.


    Sodomy has NOTHING to do with gay anything.

    The absolute vast majority of straight people actively and enthusiastically partake in "sodomy" quite often.

    I'd be willing to bet you're a gigantic liar if you'd state you've never been involved in any kind of sodomy.

    Sodomy is oral sex and anal sex.

    In case you're just entirely ignorant of life in general, neither is barbaric or deviant.

    The definition of deviant is basically "not normal", which means that anyone who has not partaken in oral sex is more than likely the deviant.


    Straight people the world over are actively and enthusiastically engaging in both oral and anal sex every single day. Have been since the dawn of time.

    To suggest that what straight people do in a loving and committed relationship/marriage is deviant and barbaric is asinine and absurd.

    So what's YOUR definition of "sodomy"?

    Or are you going to deflect yet again?
    To re-define the word "sodomy" as something straight people do in a loving and committed relationship is what's asinine and absurd. Where did you come up with that nonsensical definition anyway?

    You are correct though in defining it in terms of oral and anal sex - and here's why (from an answer I've already provided in a thread you started elsewhere):

    The word "sodomite" comes from a narrative in the bible, specifically from Genesis 19:4f -
    ...the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”
    The word "sodomy" generally refers to the behavior of those men of Sodom who wanted to have sex with ("know") the two men visiting Lot. The bible doesn't use the word "sodomy" per se; but the behavior is quite clear - men wanting to have sex with other men - and it is regarded variously in the bible as "worthless," "wicked," "exceedingly wicked," "abominable" and so forth...

    In that example, the two men with whom the Sodomite men wanted to have sex were angels, sent to rescue Lot and his family from God's judgment on Sodom.

    There's another, similar example in the bible - in Judges 19, where a Levite was visiting a town in Gibeah and staying with someone there:
    ...the men of the city, worthless fellows, surrounded the house, beating on the door. And they said to the old man, the master of the house, “Bring out the man who came into your house, that we may know him.”
    Same scenario, the men of the city wanted to have sex with the Levite priest visiting Gibeah.

    The outcome of that incident was a civil war that wiped out the tribe of Benjamin.

    So "sodomy" is a specific reference to men of the town of Sodom wanting to have sex with other men. Without going into the sordid details, the various ways men can have sex with one another are rather limited - but oral and anal are certainly included.

    Suggesting a man and a woman engaging in oral or anal sex is "sodomy" is an intentional re-definition of the word - which purpose is little more than a vain attempt to pretend that oral and anal sex by two men (i.e. sodomy) is somehow "normal" because men and women can engage in oral and anal sex too.

    So you are completely in the wrong - sodomy most definitely and conclusively is sex between two or more men; exclusively sex between two or more men.
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