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On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

And Westboro Baptists are clearly connected to Christianity. Right?

NAMBLA is pedophiles.

There are straight pedophiles. In fact most pedophiles are straight.

Therefore straight marriage is far more a threat to unleashing social acceptance of pedophilia than same-sex marriage.


YOU FAIL on every level.

Stop associating same-sex marriage with NAMBLA and therefore trying to link same-sex marriage with socially acceptable pedophilia.

Straight people pose far more danger to children than gay people do. Now that's FACT.

The fail is you not willing to recognize how much NAMBLA was associated with the modern gay rights movement. Up until just recently gays started distanting themselves from the group. Up until recently they marched in gay pride parades.

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Meet Harry Hay the founder of the Mattachine Society, the first gay rights organization in the country. The problem with Harry for gays is his support for NAMBLA. Though there has been an effort to sanitize this knowledge, NAMBLA is very open about Harry's relationship with the organization.

http://www.nambla.org/hayonmanboylove.html
And today Harry Hay is recognized at the LGBTH history. His day is October 8th.
http://lgbthistorymonth.com/harry-hay?tab=biography

So for you or anyone else to deny the history of the gay movement that welcomed the support of NAMBLA up until recently is revising history.

And as we see the redefinition of marriage unfolding before our eyes under "civil rights" there is no reason to believe that other sexual preferences will not follow.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Sigh...we have, in the USofA:

KKK
Westboro Baptist
FLDS
Nazi/White Supremacist groups
Black Panthers
Crips
Bloods
M13
Mafia

You can be frightened to death of all kinds of things.

Just because NAMBLA exists, doesn't mean they're ever going to gain credibility.

Children are in far more danger from family members than strangers.

Stop fear-mongering and evading the topic with irrational topics that have NOTHING to do with same-sex marriage.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

People who support gay marriage need to understand that when marriage is redefined in LAW it lays the foundation for all different types of sexual orientations to be pursued in the name of Civil Rights and that their practices be recognized lawful. Since morality in a religious sense can't be used as an argument against gay marriage, it can not be used in relationships like what NAMBLA promotes either. Nor can it be used as an argument against incest relationships. In other words because of changing the definition of marriage and all the discrimination laws associated with it has open the door for all sexual orientations to have rights. Some of them you may not be willing to support just like those today who do not support gay marriage but because of the discrimination laws being written today over gay marriage and sexual orientation, you will be forced to. And just like you are not willing to respect the religious conscience of those who deny services over gay marriage claiming them to be discrimination, some day down the road when you can no longer support something, you too will be charged with discrimination and because you were unable to stand up for the rights of conscience of others, will be denied your rights.

Let the buyer beware.

I always laugh when i see this dishonest, illogical, inane argument, its always a complete strawman and failure. Does anybody ever fall for it?
reminds me of all the failed arguments people had in the past for equal rights for women and minorities and interracial marriage. THey were stupid and failed arguments then and that remains true today.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

You can call it a slippery slope logical fallacy all you want, but in LAW it has legs.

actually LAW is exactly what keeps it from having legs, law along with common sense and facts
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

How come interracial marriage didn't open the doors for pedophilia?

or bestiality dont forget bestiality!!
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Anybody around here support the NAMBLA agenda ?
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Anybody around here support the NAMBLA agenda ?

i don't know what their agenda is or if they have an united agenda but why would anybody support pedophilia and child rape.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

I always laugh when i see this dishonest, illogical, inane argument, its always a complete strawman and failure. Does anybody ever fall for it?
reminds me of all the failed arguments people had in the past for equal rights for women and minorities and interracial marriage. THey were stupid and failed arguments then and that remains true today.

The stupid and failed argument is one where a person can not differentiate interracial marriages between a man and a woman and the redefining of marriage to include same sex. A stupid and failed argument is from a person that believes discrimination laws should be allowed to trump the right of conscience of others in the name of equality. A stupid and failed argument is one which denies the consequences to come from the laws and opinions being written on defining discrimination today.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

The stupid and failed argument is one where a person can not differentiate interracial marriages between a man and a woman and the redefining of marriage to include same sex. A stupid and failed argument is from a person that believes discrimination laws should be allowed to trump the right of conscience of others in the name of equality. A stupid and failed argument is one which denies the consequences to come from the laws and opinions being written on defining discrimination today.

at lest you admit its stupid and failed, the other fact you arent admitting is that your examples are factually difference

if you disagree PLEASE PLEASE provide FACTS that make the precedence for equal rights for gays lend itself solely to pedophile marriage? we cant wait to read this fail for further entertainment.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

The stupid and failed argument is one where a person can not differentiate interracial marriages between a man and a woman and the redefining of marriage to include same sex. A stupid and failed argument is from a person that believes discrimination laws should be allowed to trump the right of conscience of others in the name of equality. A stupid and failed argument is one which denies the consequences to come from the laws and opinions being written on defining discrimination today.

The stupid argument is one where a person can not tell the difference btwn legally consenting adults and silly slippery slope BS.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Well anybody?

well i support equal rights for gays

and i would support new rights for polygamy also as long as it followed the same rules, CONSENTING ADULTS.
now with this NEW right the hurdle would obviously be how to regulated it in divorces and death etc etc but i think the best solution is to legislate the basics and the rest is decided by the parties.

but in NAMBLAs case theres nothing to support, there no legal precedence for them to ever have the rights, why?

because we would have to blatantly strip others of their rights, rape, sexual assault and child molestation would have to be made legal.

so count me out
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

at lest you admit its stupid and failed, the other fact you arent admitting is that your examples are factually difference

if you disagree PLEASE PLEASE provide FACTS that make the precedence for equal rights for gays lend itself solely to pedophile marriage? we cant wait to read this fail for further entertainment.

I never stated that. I stated that Nambla defines itself as a civil rights activist group from the beginning had ties with the founder of the first gay rights activist group ever formed in this country. That is a fact that can not be denied.

Redefining marriage has consequences. With traditional marriage no longer the standard, who knows what it will evolve into meaning. Marriage has the potential to now become whatever someone wants it to be. And the new laws being passed are laying the foundation for it to occur not tomorrow but years down the road.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

I never stated that. I stated that Nambla defines itself as a civil rights activist group from the beginning had ties with the founder of the first gay rights activist group ever formed in this country. That is a fact that can not be denied.

Whoop tee doo


There are also crazy religious groups like the 700 club that have much more influence than a basically defunct discredited group

Redefining marriage has consequences. With traditional marriage no longer the standard, who knows what it will evolve into meaning. Marriage has the potential to now become whatever someone wants it to be. And the new laws being passed are laying the foundation for it to occur not tomorrow but years down the road.

What consequences?
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

1,)I never stated that. I stated that Nambla defines itself as a civil rights activist group from the beginning had ties with the founder of the first gay rights activist group ever formed in this country. That is a fact that can not be denied.

2.)Redefining marriage has consequences.
3.) With traditional marriage no longer the standard
4.) who knows what it will evolve into meaning.
5.) Marriage has the potential to now become whatever someone wants it to be. And the new laws being passed are laying the foundation for it to occur not tomorrow but years down the road.

thats what i thought you got nothnig and YES your statement implies they are the same, good back pedal

1.) yeah so what KKK also founded its self the same way and had ties with churches? whats that mean?
oh thats right, NOTHING

2.) nobody is redefining marriage Gay marriage exists in BC and what are these fantasy strawman consequences.
3.) what is traditional marriage, it never was the standard depending on who you ask its a made up thing
4.) equal rights is the only think evolving
5.) no it factually does not
6.) there is ZERO foundation being laid except ending discrimination and granting equality. All good things.

like your presented argument is a complete failure and history, facts and reality proves it to be a stupid argument also.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Anybody around here support the NAMBLA agenda ?

I get tired of the Association Fallacy.

1. NAMBLA is a homosexual organization.
2. NAMBLA wants to legalize adults having sex with minors.
3. Therefore, all homosexuals want to legalize adults having sex with minors.

That is the crux of the logic. Anyone who cannot see how that is fallacious or baiting is probably not worth trying to convince otherwise.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

Redefining marriage has consequences. With traditional marriage no longer the standard, who knows what it will evolve into meaning. Marriage has the potential to now become whatever someone wants it to be. And the new laws being passed are laying the foundation for it to occur not tomorrow but years down the road.

Marriage was redefined with no fault divorce and advances in women's rights. Same sex marriage is not a redefinition, it is a consequence of marriage having already been redefined. Once the gender roles went out the window and sodomy laws were struck down, there was no rational defense to keep same sex couples from marrying. People are arguing for a definition that was redefined almost 40 years ago.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

thats what i thought you got nothnig and YES your statement implies they are the same, good back pedal

1.) yeah so what KKK also founded its self the same way and had ties with churches? whats that mean?
oh thats right, NOTHING

2.) nobody is redefining marriage Gay marriage exists in BC and what are these fantasy strawman consequences.
3.) what is traditional marriage, it never was the standard depending on who you ask its a made up thing
4.) equal rights is the only think evolving
5.) no it factually does not
6.) there is ZERO foundation being laid except ending discrimination and granting equality. All good things.

like your presented argument is a complete failure and history, facts and reality proves it to be a stupid argument also.

man/boy relationships were quite popular in ancient Greece and Rome. Young male prostitutes in the Edo period of Japan were called kagema. Their clients were mainly adult men.

In southern areas of Central Asia and Afghanistan adolescent males between twelve and sixteen years old perform erotic songs and suggestive dancing and are available as sex workers. Such boys are known as bacchá.

In India, a hijra is a physically male or intersex person who may sometimes enter into prostitution. Not all hijras are prostitutes, however, and many consider themselves to have a female identity in a male body and accept this as a sacred condition or gift. Hijras dress as women and dance at weddings.

Nothing new under the sun.....who knows maybe these practices will become the new norm in this country some day.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

The stupid and failed argument is one where a person can not differentiate interracial marriages between a man and a woman and the redefining of marriage to include same sex. A stupid and failed argument is from a person that believes discrimination laws should be allowed to trump the right of conscience of others in the name of equality. A stupid and failed argument is one which denies the consequences to come from the laws and opinions being written on defining discrimination today.
This argument sounds dishonest. You don't really believe people don't know the difference between interracial and SSM right? You both know the difference, except it only bothers you. It doesn't bother most people because it doesn't affect them. Why does it affect you?
 
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Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

man/boy relationships were quite popular in ancient Greece and Rome. Young male prostitutes in the Edo period of Japan were called kagema. Their clients were mainly adult men.

In southern areas of Central Asia and Afghanistan adolescent males between twelve and sixteen years old perform erotic songs and suggestive dancing and are available as sex workers. Such boys are known as bacchá.

In India, a hijra is a physically male or intersex person who may sometimes enter into prostitution. Not all hijras are prostitutes, however, and many consider themselves to have a female identity in a male body and accept this as a sacred condition or gift. Hijras dress as women and dance at weddings.

Nothing new under the sun.....who knows maybe these practices will become the new norm in this country some day.

If there were to be such a significant cultural change in America, it would likely happen regardless of whether or not same sex marriage was legal. In fact, that could be just as likely a consequence of NOT making same sex marriage legal, since marriage places adults together in a committed, monogamous union. All of those societies you mentioned DO NOT have same sex marriage and could arguably be used to justify the need FOR same sex marriage.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

man/boy relationships were quite popular in ancient Greece and Rome. Young male prostitutes in the Edo period of Japan were called kagema. Their clients were mainly adult men.

In southern areas of Central Asia and Afghanistan adolescent males between twelve and sixteen years old perform erotic songs and suggestive dancing and are available as sex workers. Such boys are known as bacchá.

In India, a hijra is a physically male or intersex person who may sometimes enter into prostitution. Not all hijras are prostitutes, however, and many consider themselves to have a female identity in a male body and accept this as a sacred condition or gift. Hijras dress as women and dance at weddings.

Nothing new under the sun.....who knows maybe these practices will become the new norm in this country some day.


Why is all your attention to homosexual=pedophilia based on male pedophilia?

What about the lesbians?

Why are you so sexist?

Don't you care about the little girls being sexually abused by older women????


Face it man.....you've lost all credibility in this fight. All of it.

The nation is heading towards equal marriage rights for gays.
And many of us are quite comfortable with that.

Even us straight people.
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

1.) man/boy relationships were quite popular in ancient Greece and Rome. Young male prostitutes in the Edo period of Japan were called kagema. Their clients were mainly adult men.

2.) In southern areas of Central Asia and Afghanistan adolescent males between twelve and sixteen years old perform erotic songs and suggestive dancing and are available as sex workers. Such boys are known as bacchá.

In India, a hijra is a physically male or intersex person who may sometimes enter into prostitution. Not all hijras are prostitutes, however, and many consider themselves to have a female identity in a male body and accept this as a sacred condition or gift. Hijras dress as women and dance at weddings.

Nothing new under the sun.....who knows maybe these practices will become the new norm in this country some day.

1.) and? you think this will make rape and child molestation legal? and we will violate the rights of other citizend forcign them to be victims, nope sorry that fails
and whats that have to do with precedence of equal rights in the cases about gays? thats right nothing

2.) see #1

3.) see #1

4.) your posts reek of desperation

again the question is HOW, you have ZERO logical and factual support for your failed claim?
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

I get tired of the Association Fallacy.

1. NAMBLA is a homosexual organization.
2. NAMBLA wants to legalize adults having sex with minors.
3. Therefore, all homosexuals want to legalize adults having sex with minors.

That is the crux of the logic. Anyone who cannot see how that is fallacious or baiting is probably not worth trying to convince otherwise.



oh ****
wait a minute

i have a mustache
Hitler has a mustache

oh no, i must be Hitler!!!
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

man/boy relationships were quite popular in ancient Greece and Rome. Young male prostitutes in the Edo period of Japan were called kagema. Their clients were mainly adult men.

In southern areas of Central Asia and Afghanistan adolescent males between twelve and sixteen years old perform erotic songs and suggestive dancing and are available as sex workers. Such boys are known as bacchá.

In India, a hijra is a physically male or intersex person who may sometimes enter into prostitution. Not all hijras are prostitutes, however, and many consider themselves to have a female identity in a male body and accept this as a sacred condition or gift. Hijras dress as women and dance at weddings.

Nothing new under the sun.....who knows maybe these practices will become the new norm in this country some day.

Maybe we can start feeding people to the lions again for entertainment as well:roll:
 
Re: On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long

oh ****
wait a minute

i have a mustache
Hitler has a mustache

oh no, i must be Hitler!!!

Hitler wore pants
I wear pants

.......
 
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