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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know, forcing private companies to behave by public morality, I'm not really sold on it. Private business is private and I think they should be free to refuse service if they want. Intelligent consumerism will sort it all out in the end.
    I think if you exercise your CHOICE to be in the business game you agree to a set of rules that you have to abide by. Don't like the rules, don't get in the game. Sorry, but there comes a time when people need to realize that their actions do have consequences.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.)well the courts have said its about rights not morals
    But it's not as no man has right to another man's property

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    2.) government aside why not emergency care? why is that different? i hope you wont be using a moral line? what if im a doctor i buy a little corner place? or what about a pharmist?
    Emergency care relates directly to life, which is a right. Denying that can in fact infringe upon the rights of another, it's not mere refusal of property.

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    3.) as far as FORCED labor they are free to follow the other 3 options

    A.) you dont go into public access business
    B.) you dont do anything that may offend you so easily or its counterparts. IE if you are christian you cant say you wont do gay weddings but then do bar mitzvahs, you option is to do NOTHING religious. (or hide your discrimintion)
    C.) open up a private practice like out of your home or online like the bakery did

    or lastly break the law and risk it, maybe pay a fine, maybe go to jail (which i wouldnt support unless it was a very extreme unique case), lose your business or licences suspended
    Government force against one's property. You have no right to hold a gun to another and demand service. Which is what you're doing.

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    ill give you a scenario and you tell me if this is what you want to empower, now of course i admit my example will be dramatic and a appeal to emotion but it can also easily be reality.

    Im a priest driving in the mid west and im wearing my religious attire. i have diabetes. im having an episode and my meds arent working. Finally i come to a gas station/convenience store. I going to buy some OJ or other sugar and use their pay phone inside for medical assistant.

    I walk in the door and the owner is muslim, he has no clue why im there but he doesn't want to service me because im an infidel, he claims any service to me would be sin and he orders me out of his store, i try to explain he doesnt want to hear it, he says its his property his store and orders me out.

    I leave stumbling to my car, im in real trouble now, i never make the next place and i die or just am found and the paramedics have to get me doesnt really matter

    is this what you want to empower?

    i also like the pharmacist example, what if that guy was a pharmacist.

    now like i said, is this dramatic and a appeal to emotion? hell yeah lol but this could also easily happen without laws protecting our rights

    3.) well i definitely think so, i want us all to play by the same rules
    4.) lazy? thats not the problem either, it might be fore some but that wouldnt fix it
    Maybe it could happen, probably shouldn't be driving around without some sugar because if you had that diabetic reaction while behind the wheel you have just endangered the lives of countless individuals. I'd suggest the priest not be so selfish.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I think if you exercise your CHOICE to be in the business game you agree to a set of rules that you have to abide by. Don't like the rules, don't get in the game. Sorry, but there comes a time when people need to realize that their actions do have consequences.
    That's just a gun to someone's head. "I don't like what you do with your property, so to force you to obey my way of thinking, I'm going to use force against your free exercise of rights and infringe upon your right to property in order to make my morality the accepted and practiced morality" is really what you're saying. Not so different from the theists of days yore.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's just a gun to someone's head. "I don't like what you do with your property, so to force you to obey my way of thinking, I'm going to use force against your free exercise of rights and infringe upon your right to property in order to make my morality the accepted and practiced morality" is really what you're saying.
    No, what he's saying is that a public accommodation is not a person, so it doesn't have the right to refuse service to anyone based on their membership in a protected class.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    They have the right to buy a cake, from where others buy a cake.
    No they do not. That's another man's property and no man has right to another man's property.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, what he's saying is that a public accommodation is not a person, so it doesn't have the right to refuse service to anyone based on their membership in a protected class.
    A private business is property of an individual, and they most certainly can refuse service less one puts a gun to their head and demands differently.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No they do not. That's another man's property and no man has right to another man's property.
    Nope. It's not "another man's" property

    It's the property of a public accommodation

    Ignoring the facts won't make them go away
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A private business is property of an individual
    Just out of curiosity, if this is your argument, would you agree, then, that the public could decide not to grant corporate charters to organizations that engage in socially-destructive bigotry, leaving proprietorship -- which are the property of an individual -- free to so engage?
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A private business is property of an individual, and they most certainly can refuse service less one puts a gun to their head and demands differently.
    Wrong again

    A private business is a legal entity that is distinct from its' owner.

    And people can also murder each other unless people use force to stop them. What people can do, and what is legal to do are two very different matters.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nope. It's not "another man's" property

    It's the property of a public accommodation

    Ignoring the facts won't make them go away
    Does the public pay the property taxes? Did public buy the building? Did public buy the supplies for sale?

    It's not public accommodation without. Trying to change the definition of private property does not make it go away. You steal from a man, you are a thief; that's all there is to it. You put a gun to a man's head, and you're the initiator of force. That's all there is to it. You merely endorse the use of force against a man's right to property, that's all there is to it. No amount of window dressings is going to make it any different.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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