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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    If homosexuality is biological than how come there hasn't been any adaptation through Evolution to make gay sex useful?
    There is, population control for one. Just because you choose not to see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

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    1.) dont have the full story but they arent begin forced to go to the wedding like by armed guard, supposedly they got a fine which is more than just for blatant discrimination and that's lucky for them.
    2,) the bakers did it right the second time, they learned from their mistake. They arent civil enough to play by public rules and laws so they moved their business to a private practice, that's one of their three common sense options.

    it works like this
    in the PUBLIC realm we all have to play by the same rules/laws of a public access business

    if a person is to bigoted and or uncivil to play by these rules the solutions are very easy and common sense based

    A.) you dont go into public access business
    B.) you dont do anything that may offend you so easily or its counterparts. IE if you are christian you cant say you wont do gay weddings but then do bar mitzvahs, you option is to do NOTHING religious
    C.) open up a private practice like out of your home or online like the bakery did

    they were smart and learned from their short sighted mistake, it was stupid to be a bakery and do wedding cakes and think you wouldnt get a wedding you disagreed with. So now they run there company on line so they arent public access and or dont know their customers. Liberty in tact.

    3.) well i partially agree there are many chrisitans and GOPers that are also appalled by bigotry and discrimination like this so its unfair to paint them all with the same brush. But having said that no matter who came up with it I am happy in ways that so many states "banned" eqyual rights for gays and gays marriage because when pushed in the courts thats actually going to make it easier to establish equal gay rights which is funny and poetic justice.

    4.) i think its pathetic also but its changing and id say 5 years max
    I don't know, forcing private companies to behave by public morality, I'm not really sold on it. Private business is private and I think they should be free to refuse service if they want. Intelligent consumerism will sort it all out in the end.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    1.)I don't know, forcing private companies to behave by public morality, I'm not really sold on it.
    2.) Private business is private and I think they should be free to refuse service if they want.
    3.) Intelligent consumerism will sort it all out in the end.
    hey ikari

    1.)its not public morality, its protecting rights
    2.) i would never support any laws in these areas the empowers bigots, to many risks. Where does it stop? where would your line be. bakeries and florist? hospitals and foster care faclities? hotels? Doctors? first aid clinics emergency care clinics? food markets? malls? mechanics? restaurants? walmart etc etc

    I think its best, more liberty based, logical and civil if we all play by the same rules. Dont you? I mean if not how do we decided how facilities are grouped?
    Otherwise they can pic the 3 choices i already stated. Oh and lets not kid ourselves, they can always do what a lot of people do, practice discrimination but hide it some how. "we are booked that day"

    3.) if only the world always worked like this, it doesnt
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no gay gene
    I gave you a stack of articles showing that there is strong evidence of a genetic cause for homosexuality. You completely ignored it and keep insisting that there is no genetic root for it. Why do you believe that your completely uninformed guess work is more reliable that several peer-reviewed research papers?
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't know, forcing private companies to behave by public morality, I'm not really sold on it. Private business is private and I think they should be free to refuse service if they want. Intelligent consumerism will sort it all out in the end.
    The last time we had this is was "Whites Only" restaurants in the south. The "intelligent consumerism" that happened was the civil rights movement. Those who opposed equality bombed churches, kindnapped and beat and lynched people, and assassinated civil rights leaders to protect their right to be abusive to minority groups. The movement and it's opposition were extremely costly to the country, and, in the end, we as a society decided not to let that kind of bigotry root itself back into our civilization again. It's just too destructive.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    hey ikari

    1.)its not public morality, its protecting rights
    No, it's public morality. No man has right to another man's property

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    2.) i would never support any laws in these areas the empowers bigots, to many risks. Where does it stop? where would your line be. bakeries and florist? hospitals and foster care faclities? hotels? Doctors? first aid clinics emergency care clinics? food markets? malls? mechanics? restaurants? walmart etc etc
    Government and emergency care of course cannot discriminate. Perhaps you could make argument that any publicly traded company would have to follow government (public) discrimination laws. But private business is private, I'm not saying you're wrong or that it's irrational. I'm just saying that I'm not sold on it, fundamentally it seems not right to force a man to sell service to one he may not want to. It's his labor, he should be able to deliver it as he feels.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I think its best, more liberty based, logical and civil if we all play by the same rules. Dont you? I mean if not how do we decided how facilities are grouped?
    Otherwise they can pic the 3 choices i already stated. Oh and lets not kid ourselves, they can always do what a lot of people do, practice discrimination but hide it some how. "we are booked that day"
    Perhaps, but at heart what we're talking about here are photographers and bakers...I'm not sure it's quite on the level of police or ambulance service.

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    3.) if only the world always worked like this, it doesnt
    But just because people are lazy doesn't really give authority then to government force.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    The last time we had this is was "Whites Only" restaurants in the south. The "intelligent consumerism" that happened was the civil rights movement. Those who opposed equality bombed churches, kindnapped and beat and lynched people, and assassinated civil rights leaders to protect their right to be abusive to minority groups. The movement and it's opposition were extremely costly to the country, and, in the end, we as a society decided not to let that kind of bigotry root itself back into our civilization again. It's just too destructive.
    Yes, but that's not happening to homosexuals. The worst they face is that some dude doesn't want to make a cake for them. That's not the end of the world. Bombings and lynchings and widespread violence and oppression....that's another story. That's rights violations. But one doesn't have right to another's cake.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, but that's not happening to homosexuals. The worst they face is that some dude doesn't want to make a cake for them. That's not the end of the world. Bombings and lynchings and widespread violence and oppression....that's another story. That's rights violations. But one doesn't have right to another's cake.
    They have the right to buy a cake, from where others buy a cake.

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, it's public morality. No man has right to another man's property
    A public accommodation is not a person
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    1.)No, it's public morality. No man has right to another man's property

    2.)Government and emergency care of course cannot discriminate. Perhaps you could make argument that any publicly traded company would have to follow government (public) discrimination laws. But private business is private, I'm not saying you're wrong or that it's irrational. I'm just saying that I'm not sold on it, fundamentally it seems not right to force a man to sell service to one he may not want to. It's his labor, he should be able to deliver it as he feels.
    3.)Perhaps, but at heart what we're talking about here are photographers and bakers...I'm not sure it's quite on the level of police or ambulance service.
    4.)But just because people are lazy doesn't really give authority then to government force.
    1.)well the courts have said its about rights not morals
    2.) government aside why not emergency care? why is that different? i hope you wont be using a moral line? what if im a doctor i buy a little corner place? or what about a pharmist?
    3.) as far as FORCED labor they are free to follow the other 3 options

    A.) you dont go into public access business
    B.) you dont do anything that may offend you so easily or its counterparts. IE if you are christian you cant say you wont do gay weddings but then do bar mitzvahs, you option is to do NOTHING religious. (or hide your discrimintion)
    C.) open up a private practice like out of your home or online like the bakery did

    or lastly break the law and risk it, maybe pay a fine, maybe go to jail (which i wouldnt support unless it was a very extreme unique case), lose your business or licences suspended

    ill give you a scenario and you tell me if this is what you want to empower, now of course i admit my example will be dramatic and a appeal to emotion but it can also easily be reality.

    Im a priest driving in the mid west and im wearing my religious attire. i have diabetes. im having an episode and my meds arent working. Finally i come to a gas station/convenience store. I going to buy some OJ or other sugar and use their pay phone inside for medical assistant.

    I walk in the door and the owner is muslim, he has no clue why im there but he doesn't want to service me because im an infidel, he claims any service to me would be sin and he orders me out of his store, i try to explain he doesnt want to hear it, he says its his property his store and orders me out.

    I leave stumbling to my car, im in real trouble now, i never make the next place and i die or just am found and the paramedics have to get me doesnt really matter

    is this what you want to empower?

    i also like the pharmacist example, what if that guy was a pharmacist.

    now like i said, is this dramatic and a appeal to emotion? hell yeah lol but this could also easily happen without laws protecting our rights

    3.) well i definitely think so, i want us all to play by the same rules
    4.) lazy? thats not the problem either, it might be fore some but that wouldnt fix it
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