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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    another win on equal rights i missed this, happened like a week ago this is awesome


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/30/us...-of-state.html

    WASHINGTON — All same-sex couples who are legally married will be recognized as such for federal tax purposes, even if the state where they live does not recognize their union, the Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service said Thursday.

    Chad Griffin, president of the Human Rights Campaign, spoke outside the Supreme Court after the June ruling.
    It is the broadest federal rule change to come out of the landmark Supreme Court decision in June that struck down the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, and a sign of how quickly the government is moving to treat gay couples in the same way that it does straight couples.
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    It doesn't

    Homosexual Sex doesn't create new taxpayers
    So? What the hell does that have to do with anything? Do you honestly think marriage is about creating new taxpayers? Well, let's put it this way. If your marriage is about creating new little tax payers, that's your business. Someone else's marriage may be about something else. That's not your business. If the government is going to grant legal protections to heterosexual marriages, then it also has to provide th same protections for homosexual marriage. Most marriages aren't entered into by a couple hoping above hope to donate new taxpayers to the government. In fact, I'd bet most would think that's a pretty twisted reason to get married.

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    Biology isn't in the state's interest? Yet all of our personal information is fair game right?
    No. The government goes way too far spying on people. That's completely irrelevant to this conversation, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no gay gene. Studies of identical twins have proven this. There are multiple threads about it here where I freely gave my opinion on the subject. You can start there.

    [ . . . ]

    I don't want Government involved in marriage. If it isn't going to support the science and purpose behind a man and woman's union, on this planet and instead make it about people's feelings and taxes, then Government should just get out.

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    We've been over this many times. Feel free to provide the story that a gay gene was found if you don't believe me.
    US researchers find evidence that homosexuality linked to genetics | World news | theguardian.com

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...people-are-gay

    New Insight into the (Epi)Genetic Roots of Homosexuality | TIME.com

    Biology and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Okay, so now that we're done with that argument . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I don't want Government involved in marriage. If it isn't going to support the science and purpose behind a man and woman's union, on this planet and instead make it about people's feelings and taxes, then Government should just get out.
    The purpose behind the union is about property rights. That's what marriage is about. The purpose of the sex is to get off, most of the time, and to have kids some of the time. Your idea that all marriages must be about creating new taxpayers is . . . well, I don't even know what it is. I'm sure that's nto what most men are thinking when they propose to their girl. I'm sure that most brides, on their wedding day, aren't trying to calculate how much in taxes their union will generate for the government if they procreate. I'd bet that very, very few people get married because they think we need more tax payers. In fact, it may very well just be you.

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    Go back and read about the 1974 vote when it was removed. There was no scientific breakthrough that suddenly homosexuality was normal. The campaign, like every other leftist campaign, started with gays protesting in San Francisco. It was political pressure that led to the removal of homosexuality from the DSM criteria.
    The American Psychological Association says you're full of it. The myth buster

    But let me guess. You know more about the APA's decisions than the APA does, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    That's not an "atheist government". I'd love to hear how you think that's an "atheist government".
    What God does Obama believe in? Don't tell me what he pretends to in front of the cameras. Democrats removed God from their platform. What God(s) does Obama worship and what is the moral foundation of his beliefs?
    I almost forgot to address this gem. I have no idea what god the President believes in, and I couldn't care any less. His spying, his persecution of whistle blowers, murders with drones and war mongering are no less that Dubya's. I also don't knwo what god that President believed in. I would guess, though, that they both believe in the same god . . . money and power.

    Further, even if these scumbags like Obama and Bush do worship money and power, but not any magical beings, that still doesn't make the government atheist. It just makes certain people who hold office in the government atheist. Also, not putting gods into the party platform doesn't make it an atheist party. It makes it a political party rather than a religious institution. People who think that politics must be run under the domain of religion are called "theocrats", which I believe you've argued that you are not.

    The government wasn't founded as an "atheist" government, it was founded as a "secular" government. Do you know the difference in meaning of those two words?
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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Not a cop out. Historical fact. Facts are facts.
    The "facts" you mentioned are irrelevant.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Where was the first Planned Parenthood built? What were Margaret Sanger's views on race?
    What does this have to do with gay marriage.
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    You keep dodging those questions and bringing up Fox News like that's somehow going to help you.
    I was mocking you for bringing up Jay Z.

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    My argument is strictly biological. You're the one bringing morality into the discussion. If homosexuality was biological than how come humans haven't adapted to the behavior through evolution?
    No it's not. You mentioned morality four times. If homosexuality isn't biological then why does it occur in nature? Or if you're religious, why does god make minorities of animals and people homosexual?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Freud didn't know what he was talking about?
    No? Do jokes exist?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I don't approve of homosexual sex and gay marriage is pointless pretend marriage.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    It doesn't Homosexual Sex doesn't create new taxpayers Biology isn't in the state's interest? Yet all of our personal information is fair game right?
    What about straight couples who get married and don't have kids? Are their marriage's also pretend marriage's?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Tell that to the photographers being targeted for their beliefs.
    Boo hoo a business owner being discriminated against for discriminating against other people.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Kick to the curb? Nice hyperbole. As was stated previously, there is no biological reason why a child should be gay. You can stomp and throw a temper tantrum all you want. The studies have been done on Identical twins which = identical DNA. No gay gene.
    Actually no one has confirmed the lack of a gay gene in humans, although the existence of a gay gene in female mice has been found. So apparently homosexuality does occur in nature.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You're all for discrimination if the people being targeted are those that have a different view than you. You've admitted it in this very thread.
    Actually, I'm for discrimination against people who abuse or discriminate against other people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You can step down from your phony moral high ground. There is nothing noble about defending sodomy and irrational behavior.
    It's not about defending sodomy, it's about not caring what other Americans do in the privacy of their own home. You're view is about judging people who do not meet your moral standards. Sodomy is very common in the US. You're gonna have to get over it, because it's not going anywhere. Sodomy laws have already been struck down by the courts. Your views on this issue are outdated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    What issue would that be?
    The gay marriage issue.

    What exactly are you trying to dispute?
    Your knowledge of this issue, especially of what Sodomy means. What don't you thrill us with your definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Theocrat?

    I'm just talking basic biology here. Gay Marriage serves no social or economic purpose.
    Gay marriage serves the social purpose of rearing of children. We know that gays raise children as well as straights. We also know that married couples are more likely to buy homes and are more stable financially... showing a positive economic purpose.

    This is how you are uneducated on this issue.

    You can toss out every (you're a religious nut) strawmen out there all you want. If homosexuality was biological than evolution over time would have found a way to adapt.
    There is no biological purpose for certain evolutionary differences, which is all homosexuality is. Therefore adaptation is unnecessary.

    This is how you are uneducated on this issue.


    If homosexuality is a mental issue however, (as it was known before they changed the DSM criteria because of political reasons) then society shouldn't be made to conform to such obviously irrational behavior (sodomy/homosexual sex being normalized/put on a pedestal).
    We know that homosexuality was declassified in the DSM because activists finally convinced the APA to look at research that demonstrated that homosexuality was not a mental illness. I have shown you the facts around this before. Your unwillingness to accept those facts does not alter that they are facts.

    This is how you are uneducated on this issue.

    See? You asked of which issue you were uneducated. This is the one and these are some of the reasons. Glad I could help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    There is no gay gene. Nothing. Zip. Nada.
    Yet. Your comment above has been proven inaccurate repeatedly. Repeating this inaccuracy just makes you look more uneducated on this issue.

    Homosexuality was never removed from the DSM Criteria for scientific reasons. Purely political ones. Money buys morality in US Politics.
    It was removed for scientific reasons as I have shown repeatedly. All you are doing is believing the uneducated propaganda of the anti-gay agenda. Release yourself from the ignorance surrounding the anti-gay agenda, Bronson.


    Not accepting homosexuality as normal doesn't mean I hate gay people. This is why people like you are really the bigots. You paint people as villains when they don't go along with the politically correct narrative. It's not against the law yet to have an opinion in this country. It's still my right to determine my own morality. This the real problem with homosexuality being normalized and gay marriage. The State is now becoming a religion. You must accept sodomy as normal and support homosexual marriage or you will be a moral outcast.
    See? This is your problem. Your morality does not equal facts. Your morality is irrelevant when discussing facts. In fact, it has already been shown that your morality is devoid of facts. There is nothing that can or will stop you from having your morality... no matter how uneducated on this issue it is. Keep it. It's yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    It doesn't

    Homosexual Sex doesn't create new taxpayers

    Biology isn't in the state's interest? Yet all of our personal information is fair game right?
    Poor Bronson. Doesn't know the difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.

    There is no gay gene. Studies of identical twins have proven this. There are multiple threads about it here where I freely gave my opinion on the subject. You can start there.
    Yes. And your opinion was destroyed and humiliated in those threads. Your logic was shredded around the "there is no gay gene" comment as it was shown that just because something has not been discovered now, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And your comments about twins was destroyed when it was shown to you that identical twins are not completely identical, as there are differences in epimarks that cause them to develop slightly differently.

    So yes, those threads where your opinion was debunked.


    Go back and read about the 1974 vote when it was removed. There was no scientific breakthrough that suddenly homosexuality was normal. The campaign, like every other leftist campaign, started with gays protesting in San Francisco. It was political pressure that led to the removal of homosexuality from the DSM criteria.
    And I've provided all the information on this issue, including a book written by the people who were actually there. All you are doing is spewing the same old extreme conservative dishonesty... which is typical of that species. The science was finally presented... science that had been prevented from being presented for quite some time. Of course you wouldn't know that, though... you've been spoon-fed the anti-gay extreme conservative dishonest propaganda... and you have swallowed it quite well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    The captain doesn't know what he is talking about, he thinks he can redefine words to suit his needs. You had it right in your posting.
    You've never known what you are talking about on this issue. I've proven that time and time again. Betcha YOU don't know what sodomy means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Freud himself viewed homosexuality and paranoia as being inseparable.
    Hey... let's ask Freud himself what he thought about homosexuality. Here is a famous response letter he wrote to a woman who asked him to treat her son's homosexuality. He wrote it in 1935. I highlighted the important parts:

    I gather from your letter that your son is a homosexual. I am most impressed by the fact that you do not mention this term yourself in your information about him. May I question you why you avoid it? Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation; it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. Many highly respectable individuals of ancient and modern times have been homosexuals, several of the greatest men among them. (Plato, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc). It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime –and a cruelty, too. If you do not believe me, read the books of Havelock Ellis.

    By asking me if I can help [your son], you mean, I suppose, if I can abolish homosexuality and make normal heterosexuality take its place. The answer is, in a general way we cannot promise to achieve it. In a certain number of cases we succeed in developing the blighted germs of heterosexual tendencies, which are present in every homosexual; in the majority of cases it is no more possible. It is a question of the quality and the age of the individual. The result of treatment cannot be predicted.
    What analysis can do for your son runs in a different line. If he is unhappy, neurotic, torn by conflicts, inhibited in his social life, analysis may bring him harmony, peace of mind, full efficiency, whether he remains homosexual or gets changed
    See Bronson? I TOLD you to educate yourself on these things. Now, if you had followed my advice, you wouldn't look so silly right now.
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