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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Actually, libertarianism lines up with environmentalism rather well. So it would really depend on all the conditions of your nuclear dump.

    Can you hire someone to spank your kid? Sure, give all the previously stated restriction to such act. I'm not sure who would buy such a tape, but perhaps the sale of such can be considered.
    Okay. Now, I live on a very nice block, good houses, nice cars, but I find it boring. Can I paint my house to look like a Rainbow Bright doll?


    And put a a giant doll head on my roof?

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Okay. Now, I live on a very nice block, good houses, nice cars, but I find it boring. Can I paint my house to look like a Rainbow Bright doll?


    And put a a giant doll head on my roof?
    I wouldn't likely have a problem with it in and of itself, but if you signed a Home Owners Association contract, they may have something to say about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I wouldn't likely have a problem with it in and of itself, but if you signed a Home Owners Association contract, they may have something to say about it.
    Okay, but there isn't a contract yet the guy next door claims he can't sell his house or get a loan for its true value because of me? Doesn't he have the right to the full value of his property? Now what?

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    Re: San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure

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    Excuse are telling me as I just believe you did, that I can discriminate but don't get caught? Yes that makes sense. And you are ok with that. What a hypocrite. In order for me to preserve my freedom of association I have to temporarily suspend my freedom of speech. That makes a lot of sense. Really it does. Especially in a free country.

    All of those laws and ordinances are unconstitutional. The judges who ruled that they were constitutional, are twits and flat wrong. The Constitution is VERY clear on this.

    I would prefer not lie. But twits like you push me into that corner so I have to get an attorney and make sure to phase my rejections properly so as not to "appear" discriminatory. That's just sad I have to do that to begin with. I would prefer to just say "I don't like you, now get the **** out." That way we both know were we stand. You push rules that are worthless in all but the most blatant cases. That's persecution via the law over a perceived slight. That is all that is. You can say its about preventing discrimination when all you really are doing is restricting speech and taking revenge for some slight. Last I checked there is no right to not be butt hurt over a perceived slight. How about this, you think the racial groups like say La Raza would be upset if I sued THEM so I could be apart of their racial organization, even though it is blatantly discriminatory one? How about I sue the Black Panthers, think they would enjoy having a white brother amongst themselves? You know what's good for the goose is good for the gander. How about I sue and claim discrimination at the big ag farms and brokerage houses because they will only hire Hispanic trucking firms.

    By the way discrimination is NOT a crime, it is a civil matter determined by civil litigation. You CANT press charges. Pray it NEVER becomes a crime. As the Chinese like to say be careful what you wish for.

    I believe in freedom. What you believe in is the absolute antithesis of that. We are destined to disagree vigorously.
    Yeah, poor you having to justify why you discriminate. You have it so bad. How about the freedom to pursue a livelihood?

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    I think that what you laid out is a very rare occurrence and if people employ intelligent consumerism wouldn't happen. But as murder is a possible outcome of gun rights, this too may be an outcome of property rights. Though it could very easily be made against the law to not render medical aid when medical aid is needed, as that would infringe upon one's right to life. Not that it would help the police. Now if your gay groom was diabetic and needed the cake to live, perhaps we could talk about higher moral ramifications; but I think you know that wasn't the case.
    so im guessing you answer is YES, that is what you want to empower

    sorry i do not and im glade precedence, laws and cases also do not
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    The practice of contract is oft double edged. But I fear I am no expert in the field you are discussing here, and it can lead to misunderstandings and confusions. In essence if the government owned the property that a corporation was seeking to buy, they could put in certain restrictions and rights to access by the community. Publicly traded and corporations could very well be treated differently than private business given their innate public properties. As I stated earlier, there could be argument that publicaly traded companies follow the same restrictions as government is forced to endure. I'm not sure that answered your question though.
    Yes, that answered it. I just wondered if you would view corporate structures as being the same thing as proprietorships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    1.)Excuse are telling me as I just believe you did, that I can discriminate but don't get caught? Yes that makes sense.
    2.)And you are ok with that. What a hypocrite.
    3.) In order for me to preserve my freedom of association I have to temporarily suspend my freedom of speech. That makes a lot of sense. Really it does. Especially in a free country.
    4.)All of those laws and ordinances are unconstitutional. The judges who ruled that they were constitutional, are twits and flat wrong. The Constitution is VERY clear on this.
    5.) I would prefer not lie. But twits like you push me into that corner so I have to get an attorney and make sure to phase my rejections properly so as not to "appear" discriminatory. That's just sad I have to do that to begin with. I would prefer to just say "I don't like you, now get the **** out." That way we both know were we stand. You push rules that are worthless in all but the most blatant cases. That's persecution via the law over a perceived slight. That is all that is.
    6.)You can say its about preventing discrimination when all you really are doing is restricting speech and taking revenge for some slight. Last I checked there is no right to not be butt hurt over a perceived slight.
    7.) How about this, you think the racial groups like say La Raza would be upset if I sued THEM so I could be apart of their racial organization, even though it is blatantly discriminatory one? How about I sue the Black Panthers, think they would enjoy having a white brother amongst themselves? You know what's good for the goose is good for the gander. How about I sue and claim discrimination at the big ag farms and brokerage houses because they will only hire Hispanic trucking firms.
    8.)By the way discrimination is NOT a crime, it is a civil matter determined by civil litigation. You CANT press charges. Pray it NEVER becomes a crime. As the Chinese like to say be careful what you wish for.
    9.)I believe in freedom. What you believe in is the absolute antithesis of that. We are destined to disagree vigorously.
    1.) yes, gave me examples of how you an discriminate and not get caught
    2.) lol try not to make stuff up, "im" not personally ok with that but if your not actually breaking the law what can i do about it. but please, feel free to make stuff up
    3.) yes it makes perfect sense in a free country where the saying goes your rights to swing your fists end at my nose. There are lots of rights that get temporarily suspended based preventing infringement on others. See the OP, see 100s of court cases and precedence. this isnt new its basic and how things work.
    4.) you are welcome to have that opinion but you got no facts that support you at all. on the other side theres ordinances, the law, state constitutions, the constitution all the procedures making and enforcing them all and all the cases defending them and making precedence for them all. vs your opinion

    all go with the former
    5.) makes me proud you feel this way, people who cant be civil in public, follow the rules, laws and respect others rights are exactly what these laws are for and im glad it paints you in a corner.
    6.)you are free to this OPINION too but its factually false, but feel free to make up whatever story you want that helps you feel better, facts dont care
    7.) please use actual parallel and examples that make logical sense. and also please educate yourself on topics like this also.Depending on which black panther party you want to discuss they had white members.

    but if you actually catch your breath in between rants, feel free to pursue anything you know is breaking the law thats what you are supposed to do.

    8.) wrong again it is not always just a civil matter
    9.) your post and ranting proves otherwise, seem you believe in infringing rights and empowering bigotry and discrimination. not thanks that's not what this country does.
    Cant wait to read your nest rant though.
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    Yeah, poor you having to justify why you discriminate. You have it so bad. How about the freedom to pursue a livelihood?
    You have it. Now go pursue you livelihood. I do. Its the reason I am self employed, so I may do so unfettered.
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